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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 5:36:12 AM

People have different interpretation and definition of what Rasta is, I think there lies the problem.

Unquestionably birthed from the spirit of black liberation and redemption......It's like having guests in your house. An AFRICAN house. Welcome to almost anything but can't come in and start rearranging your furniture etc. It will always be an African thing but again this has nothing to do with superior inferior


Messenger: Humble one Sent: 1/11/2015 6:09:26 AM

Blessings Garveys Africa, I think what you said was fair.

But one question, I quote ShivaJiva:

"White people have everything, let us have this.", talking about "black spaces"

Tell me, I am white, you know absolutely nothing about me other than the fact that I have white skin, tell me one thing that you have that I don't (apart from black skin). Because you say white people have everything.

You do not know me, so you cannot really answer that can you? How can you know me enough to say that I have everything?

"But let us take pride in the fact that as free men we attack and abhor racial discrimination on principle, where-ever it is found and in WHATEVER GUISE" Haile Selassie I

All the best,


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:13:57 AM

'White privilege', for one thing. It isn't a term I made up so if you are not aware then please research this before commenting further...

But notice he didnt say the white man Joe has everything..... he said white people as a collective.

WE represent a people who the forces of whiteness have stripped of a culture religion and even a name.

One should maybe explore the nature of what white supremacy is.....

White people have a culture, have religion, have an identity, even own other peoples. We are yet to be in control of our affairs, in control of Africa without white ownership or influence.
Furthermore, we see the same infiltration and interferences from white people into black affairs from things such as national politics to music (rock music, reggae music, even hip-hop) to you name it. This was not the message of Garvey - a very significant part of Rastafari which cannot be ignored (How can one be a RAS without knowing and living by the teachings of Garvey???)

You will find in the SAME speech of His Majesty talk about the need for WE africans to fight until the righteous balance has been restored.

Learning points: White privilege, white supremacy. These topics are vast.... I would also recommend some study into Garvey because one would not have such questions if one was familiar....and one cannot separate Garvey from Rasta

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:25:11 AM

xMarcus Garvey - African Fundamentalism
June 6, 1925

Fellow Men of the Negro Race, Greeting:

The time has come for the Negro to forget and cast behind him his hero worship and adoration of other races, and to start out immediately, to create and emulate heroes of his own.

We must canonize our own saints, create our own martyrs, and elevate to positions of fame and honor black men and women who have made their distinct contributions to our racial history. Sojourner Truth is worthy of the place of sainthood alongside of Joan of Arc; Crispus Attucks and George William Gordon are entitled to the halo of martyrdom with no less glory than that of the martyrs of any other race. Toussaint L'Ouverture's brilliancy as a soldier and statesman outshone that of a Cromwell, Napoleon and Washington; hence, he is entitled to the highest place as a hero among men. Africa has produced countless numbers of men and women, in war and in peace, whose lustre and bravery outshine that of any other people. Then why not see good and perfection in ourselves?

Ours the Right to Our Doctrine

We must inspire a literature and promulgate a doctrine of our own without any apologies to the powers that be. The right is ours and God's. Let contrary sentiment and cross opinions go to the winds. Opposition to race independence is the weapon of the enemy to defeat the hopes of an unfortunate people. We are entitled to our own opinions and not obligated to or bound by the opinions of others.

A Peep at the Past

If others laugh at you, return the laughter to them; if they mimic you, return the compliment with equal force. They have no more right to dishonor, disrespect and disregard your feeling and manhood than you have in dealing with them. Honor them when they honor you; disrespect and disregard them when they vilely treat you. Their arrogance is but skin deep and an assumption that has no foundation in morals or in law. They have sprung from the same family tree of obscurity as we have; their history is as rude in its primitiveness as ours; their ancestors ran wild and naked, lived in caves and in the branches of trees, like monkeys, as ours; they made human sacrifices, ate the flesh of their own dead and the raw meat of the wild beast for centuries even as they accuse us of doing; their cannibalism was more prolonged than ours; when we were embracing the arts and sciences on the banks of the Nile their ancestors were still drinking human blood and eating out of the skulls of their conquered dead; when our civilization had reached the noonday of progress they were still running naked and sleeping in holes and caves with rats, bats and other insects and animals. After we had already unfathomed the mysteries of the stars and reduced the heavenly constellations to minute and regular calculus they were still backwoodsmen, living in ignorance and blatant darkness.

Why Be Discouraged?

The world today is indebted to us for the benefits of civilization. They stole our arts and sciences from Africa. Then why should we be ashamed of ourselves? Their MODERN IMPROVEMENTS are but DUPLICATES of a grander civilization that we reflected thousands of years ago, without the advantage of what is buried and still hidden, to be resurrected and reintroduced by the intelligence of our generation and our prosperity. Why should we be discouraged because somebody laughs at us today? Who to tell what tomorrow will bring forth? Did they not laugh at Moses, Christ and Mohammed? Was there not a Carthage, Greece and Rome? We see and have changes every day, so pray, work, be steadfast and be not dismayed.

Nothing Must Kill the Empire Urge

As the Jew is held together by his RELIGION, the white races by the assumption and the unwritten law of SUPERIORITY, and the Mongolian by the precious tie of BLOOD, so likewise the Negro must be united in one GRAND RACIAL HIERARCHY. Our UNION MUST KNOW NO CLIME, BOUNDARY, or NATIONALITY. Like the great Church of Rome, Negroes the world over MUST PRACTICE ONE FAITH, that of Confidence in themselves, with One God! One Aim! One Destiny! Let no religious scruples, no political machination divide us, but let us hold together under all climes and in every country, making among ourselves a Racial Empire upon which "the sun shall never set."

Allegiance to Self First

Let no voice but your own speak to you from the depths. Let no influence but your own raise you in time of peace and time of war. Hear all, but attend only that which concerns you.

Your first allegiance shall be to your God, then to your family, race and country. Remember always that the Jew in his political and economic urge is always first a Jew; the white man is first a white man under all circumstances, and you can do no less than being first and always a Negro, and then all else will take care of itself. Let no one inoculate you for their own conveniences. There is no humanity before that which starts with yourself. "Charity begins at home." First to thyself be true, and "thou canst not then be false to any man."

We Are Arbiters of Our Own Destiny

God and Nature first made us what we are, and then out of our own creative genius we make ourselves what we want to be. Follow always that great law.

Let the sky and God be our limit, and Eternity our measurement. There is no height to which we cannot climb by using the active intelligence of our own minds. Mind creates, and as much as we desire in Nature we can have through the creation of our own minds. Being at present the scientifically weaker race, you shall treat others only as they treat you; but in your homes and everywhere possible you must teach the higher development of science to your children; and be sure to develop a race of scientists par excellence, for in science and religion lies our only hope to withstand the evil designs of modern materialism. Never forget your God. Remember, we live, work and pray for the establishing of a great and binding RACIAL HIERARCHY, the rounding of a RACIAL EMPIRE whose only natural, spiritual and political limits shall be God and "Africa, at home and abroad."

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:25:55 AM

Marcus Garvey - Black And White

I'm black not white, which is no crime;

To have all things makes one so great:

If blacks did have, all whites would crave

More black to be for all that time.

The whites have ALL, in regal state,

And blacks do think them more sublime

But whites would think the blacks so brave

If they had greater wealth all time.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:31:46 AM

I understand it is most likely because you are young.

People of color must assimilate Itís hard to break free of the ways of the dominant hegemony and forge your own path.

Messenger: Humble one Sent: 1/11/2015 6:41:36 AM

White priviledge? Tell me more.

Money is not what makes someone priviledged, it is how much a person can see; ie the wealth is in his soul.

AND you know nothing of either the amount of money I have, or the wealth of my soul.

Not every white person is like that person on the poster.

All the best,


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:48:27 AM

Which is why i suggested you research this for yourself

This is a subject matter in itself.

One could go to University and study three years plus masters into the sociological effects of whit privilege and white supremacy. It cannot be appropriately justified in one post or even one thread.

It is not a money thing...

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2015 6:51:26 AM

The white man must understand 500 years of slavery injustice downpression and brainwashing has trans generational effects on todays black population. The fact you don't need a repair process to rid the damages to your psyche your physical and your livity from this wickedness, is another example of white privilege. The fact you have an idea of your family history even a last name.....

I wonder what ShivaJivas thoughts are. Apologies I can't spend more time on this right now

Messenger: Humble one Sent: 1/11/2015 9:14:30 AM

I was born with white skin. There is absolutely nothing I can do to change this even if I wanted to.

I used to know someone who hated his white skin so much that he used to take daily coffee baths to dye it black. To me, firstly it looked very odd because of the huge change but secondly it was such a shame that he could never feel that he could be himself.

I would NEVER have caused the horrific slavery if I had the choice. Should I forever hate myself for the acts of my ancestors?




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