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Messenger: gideon Sent: 7/11/2006 11:03:56 PM

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [15] For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [17] NOW THEN, IT IS NO MORE I THAT DO IT, BUT THE SIN THAT DWELLETH IN ME. [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. [19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. [20] Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. [21] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. [22] FOR I DELIGHT IN THE LAW OF GOD AFTER THE INWARD MAN: [23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Messenger: gideon Sent: 7/11/2006 11:11:26 PM

THE BELIEVER DOES NOT SIN, AND CANNOT SIN. HE IS ACCUSED OF SIN BY THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN, SATAN. BUT THE ACCUSATION IS BASED ON ILLUSION. THE TRUTH IS THAT THE BELIEVER MANIFESTS THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS, LOVE AND JUSTICE, AND NO OTHER SPIRIT. THIS IS ALSO TRUE OF THE UNBELIEVER, BUT HE CANNOT SEE IT, BECAUSE THE REVELATION IS SPIRITUALLY APPRAISED. HE CAN ONLY SEE FLESH, WHICH CAN NEVER BE JUSTIFIED. THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANS VALUE THE SAYINGS OF PAUL SO MUCH IS THAT PAUL GETS DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT SALVATION IS ALL ABOUT. HE IS A SCHOLAR, SO HE CAN EXPLAIN THE GOSPEL IN PRECISE TERMS, THAT ARE USEFUL FOR THE DISCIPLE. HE TALKS ALL ABOUT JESUS' LIFE AND MINISTRY AND TEACHINGS, BUT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE THAN HOW THE GOSPELS TALK ABOUT IT. PAUL SPEAKS TO OUR MINDS, SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND EXPLANATIONS ABOUT OUR FAITH AND WHAT IT MEANS. HE IS JUST A TEACHER, DOING HIS JOB.

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 7/13/2006 12:05:32 AM

It is funny that some people say they are believers in Christ when they don't even believe the things Christ taught I and I, what do they really believe? RasTafarI say that I and I know, not believe. The original definition of believe is to accept as true or real, so when I and I say I and I know, it is not that we accept it, it is that I and I know it is true. Another reason for not believing is because many Christians have made the definition of believe even worse then what it already is. The definition that many Christians have brought to the word believe is to believe an illusion that they conjoured that says if you believe that Christ is the son of God and he is our salvation, then you are saved. But they don't believe the things that Christ taught I and I so that I and I would be clean and saved. I know that Christ is the Son of God, and I also know that what Christ taught I and I is true and right, and is the teaching of Jah RasTafarI. So I learn from the ways Christ taught and I work to live that way. Yes gideon, I said work, I know work doesn't fit in to your excuse illusion, but when I resist a thought that is evil it is work until I have overcome that thought. When the thought is overcome it is no longer any work, because it is impossible for the thought to even tempt I. But until that time comes, it is work. Christ taught I to Live in righteousness and to Live Perfect as I Father Jah RasTafarI is Perfect, so I will listen to I Father and Live so. And after reading all of Paul's message, I eventually saw that after all his ramblings that have caused so much confusion among those that call themselves believers, he eventually showed the same thing, that I and I must live in righteousness to be One. But Paul made it easy for people to make excuses because he buried the needle of righteousness in a large haystack of confusion. I don't know why you continually repeat the same things over and over again gideon, you should make links to what you have repeatedly said in the past two and a half years, first when you used the name mdjonas and second when you used the name gideon. This way people will see what was said in response to your statements, so we don't have to repeat the same conversations again. Here is one reasoning I made concerning this: ------------------------------------------------------- From the reasoning Romans 7 and 8 Here is a reasoning related to those Scriptures. It shows other scriptures of Paul that better explain what he is saying, showing that he is saying the same thing that Khamyl just said. Many don't like to think about the part I am going to show, because it goes against their philosophy of "acceptable wickedness" and being "saved by Jesus". But before I show the part about Paul, I will speak from the Christian Source, Christ. I and I are to be One with Jah and One with Christ, not separate. But people would prefer to listen to the preacherman, or apostles, over the words of Christ. The sacrifice of Christ, was that he taught I and I Jah way, because he knew that he would have to sacrifice his body to teach I and I this, because he knew that babylon would crucify him for teaching the truth to the people. But he still showed I and I, he sacrificed himself for this. So when people forget his words and teachings, it is a disrespect to the sacrifice Christ gave in order to show I and I these words. Christ said, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. This is not a request, and Christ didn't say try to be so, but he said Be ye therefore perfect. And for people that think that the perfection is something less than this or that, Christ showed them, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. So this kind of perfection is the highest form of perfection there is. The apostle Paul in some ways misleads the people by confusing them. Maybe he was trying to hide the truth so that only some will see, or maybe he was trying to mislead the people, and also inserting the truth, so the people could not speak against him. Only Jah knows this for sure, but the truth still can be seen in the words of Paul. The reason I say that his words are misleading is because he spends so much time sounding like he is saying that we are not required to live perfect, but are supposed to just repent and Christ will save us for our sins. And for only a couple of sentences he shows that the grace he is talking about doesn't make void the law (Law of Jah, not law of man), but the law is established. Romans 3 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Some don't consider what he said above or the other things that he said to show the reality of righteousness, because they are so few in Paul's words. But some people do remember these words, but still don't require themselves to live in Jah way, they think that it will just happen one day when they die. But if people consider the words of Christ and read these words of Paul with Christ's teachings in mind, they will see the Truth. There is no law against righteousness, and if I and I are guided by Jah, then it is impossible to sin, so the law is of no effect for I and I. So by our choice, and the strength of Jah, I and I ways will be made perfect, because Jah will only guide I and I in perfection. Galatians 5 13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. I see this as saying when I and I walk in Jah Spirit, we will not sin 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. So when I and I are led by the Spirit, I and I are not under the law because I and I are only walking in righteousness, because Jah Spirit would never guide I and I towards wickedness Here are the works that are not of the Spirit. Laws do exist against these works, because they are sin 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The works of the flesh, which is called sin, include those things written above. It is not just the "big" sins like murder and others, but it also includes hatred, wrath, strife, envyings, drunkenness and revellings. So those that claim they are walking in the Spirit are only truly walking in the Spirit if they don't do these things. Otherwise, the most they could be doing is only partially walking in the Spirit. Here are the fruits of the Spirit, which is called righteousness. No laws exist that are against these actions, so they are not under the law. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. So Christians have crucified the sinful part of theirself, and only walk in righteousness, because that is the only way Jah Spirit guides. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Selassie I also knew this, I have posted this before, but I will post it again. When He sacrificed himself at Golgotha for the atonement of our sin, He prayed with His last breath for the forgiveness of those who had tortured Him saying, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'. Shame on those of us who are Christians and do not follow the way of the Savior of the World, whose life was filled with kindness, humility, and martyrdom! If we lived by the laws he gave us and were worthy of being called Christian, peace would have reigned on this earth. Men were supposed to be the equals of the living angels who unceasingly sang praises before the eternal God. Had this been so, peoples of the world would not have been divided along lines of enmity. ------------------------------------------------------------ From the reasoning False Rasta,,them still deceiving the mass Gideon, you said, ------------------ If anyone depends on works to save them they are putting their hopes in the law. It means that if they break the law even one time, even in the smallest sense, that they have no more hope of salvation, because they have broken the law in which they placed their hopes. ------------------- That is not true, it shows in Ezekiel that if a person breaks the law, they need to repent of their ways and their wickedness will not be mentioned, but they will be remembered for their righteousness. So even those that are under the law have hope for salvation, this has always been so. But I am not speaking about being under the law, I am speaking of the law being established. Those that sin are a slave to sin and are under the law, because there is a law against their actions. But for those that have faith, their faith in Jah will make their ways righteous, because they will listen to the voice of Jah when Jah directs them. So these are not under the law because no law exists that is against their actions because their actions are righteous. You also said, -------------- And what if you have faith but not the knowledge? Then your actions will still be wrong. -------------- When I speak about faith, I see it as knowing that nothing is impossible for Jah and also trusting in Jah to guide I and I and provide I and I with what we need so that we have no want. So if a person has complete faith then it is impossible for them to do any wrong. It doesn't matter if they have no knowledge of certain things being right or wrong, if Jah speaks to them and they do as Jah directs, then they will not do any wrong, and their actions will lead to prosperity. So I am not talking about trusting in works or depending on works or about works bringing salvation. I am talking about True and Complete Faith in Jah. How can someone have True, Complete Faith in the Most High and not listen when Jah speaks? If they don't listen to the Spirit of Truth that directs them in the path of Inity, then they are lacking in faith and they are also lacking trust in the Spirit of Jah. If they trusted Jah and had Faith in Jah, then they would heed to Jah direction. Paul speaks about the importance of faith and grace but he also shows that when faith and grace is there, then righteousness is also there. And he shows that those that sin are a slave to sin and are not in the grace of Jah. So again, as I have mentioned to the I many times in the past. I am not speaking about works being salvation. I am saying that what is on the inside must come out. So if there is faith, then the actions of the faithful must be seen, because that is something that comes from faith. ------------------------------------------------------------ And for those that want to see the rest of these lengthy conversations that have gone on over the past two and a half years, they should just use the search box to search for the name mdjonas or gideon and they will find all that was said. Gideon, let I and I trod forward. If there is something that has not already been said here about this subject that would be more convincing, then bring it forward so I and I can reason about it. Ark I RasTafari Haile Selassie I

Messenger: gideon Sent: 7/13/2006 6:38:29 PM

Thanks Ark, for the reply. I do know that what's on the inside must come out, but the question where we seem to differ is in how. Here are my comments on what you said. Obviously they are forward. You can never cross the same river twice, anyway. First, it is coming to me that according to what it seems you're saying, you either think that your actions are perfect, or you condemn yourself as lacking pure and complete faith. Which is it, or am I misunderstanding you? As an extension of this, of course, will be the way you feel about other people, which will be the same: Either you think a person is perfect, or you think that they are lacking the pure and perfect faith and do not follow the way of Jah. Secondly, I want to point out that Paul said in a straightforward way that he is not the one committing those sins, so that he is not guilty. Are you saying that I am twisting his words, or do you have another interpretation? Finally, this statement you made is clearly not consistent with the bible, or the dictionary, or common sense: "Paul speaks about the importance of faith and grace but he also shows that when faith and grace is there, then righteousness is also there. And he shows that those that sin are a slave to sin and are not in the grace of Jah." Obviously grace is not needed if your actions are pure. The whole concept of grace applies to situations where actions are impure but the heart is pure. It's the basic concept of salvation that Christ and Paul talked about. That's why John said, Don't sin, but if you do, God is faithful to forgive you. And Paul said, "where sin doth abound, grace aboundeth even more." Listen, by the way. There is no need to go on with the name thing. I chose a name for a reason, and I was in no way deceptive. I even kept the password the same so that you would know it was the same person. The fact that I came around to the same reasoning was not something that I planned, but it just happened. I actually reapproached my thinking about life and ended up with the same thing, and I was surprised how perfectly it came around, because I thought that I was approaching from an angle that couldn't possibly yield the same results. It seems that you are implying some wrongdoing or deception on my part, so please avoid this. There is no need for any conflict.

Messenger: Empress Nzingha Sent: 7/14/2006 8:31:45 AM

Too often, too many people forget that flesh is mortal. Our bodies use their senses to understand what is outside of it, from the air it breathes to the other bodies it encounters. However our Self, is almost completely seperate from our bodies. Our Self, or Soul, guides its body through the physical relm much the way you would drive a remote control car. You cannot blame a toy car for your own bad driving skills. There are forces in the universe that want you to pull away from the One. These forces do this because they themselves are removed and therefore seek to establish an Other which is seperate from the One and thereby create a Duality of Man and mankind. To combat this seperation came the Trinity, a purely Human institution. Man, woman and child; this is the equation where two become one, seen. All things are one thing, the One or the Whole. There is no Other, there is only seperation from the Whole. Eventually, everything must go back to One thing. When that happens the so called Other must be destroyed because there is no other. Right and wrong is relative, there is only what works and what does not work. Intentionality is King. Word is Law. To err is Human, to forgive is Divine. Wisdom is a lesson learned. Knowledge is comprehension. To apply Knowledge is to be Christ like. To Respect Life is to be God like. To be Self centered is to rise above. To be Self motivated is to be whole. To Be Free is to Be One. To Be One is to Be Love. One Love.

Messenger: Elijah Sent: 7/14/2006 10:16:54 AM

Empress Your words are aid for I today. Blessings

Messenger: gideon Sent: 7/16/2006 9:30:58 PM

Well, right and wrong originally have to do with the law of zion. Naturally, we all seek progress, and then there is what works and doesn't work. So when we all recongnize that we are on the same side, and that side is about life and progress, then we can talk about right and wrong. But we have to remember the context. Right means that it works for the purpose intended, which is to manifest and establish zion law and order. Wrong means that someone made a mistake, so that although they wanted their actions to work for the good of zion, they failed. It's about illusion and truth, or revelation. But the Pope and false thinking since long time pushing a different view, which is all about condmning people and forcing them into a line. It is the way of the blind mob, and it's easy to get caught up in it. But these words can be a net to pull people out from that sea of lies, cuz we show the order of reality. It's just love. As Ark says, I been pushing this thing for over two years, and is only now that Empress Nzingha and others are showing a positive response. Now, this is not to put anyone down. As I told Ark long ago, what I am saying isnot something you don't know, but you don't know the words. Unity is not about changing who you are or what you represent, or about changing other people. Unity is revealed. It is a thing we realize. When we see that we are one then we are one in practice, revealed. That is the kingdom. It's so simple. Me, I just talk about the beauty of the life of Christ, and his ministry. He is the ambassador from zion to those sheep lost in babylon. He brings the culture. Selassie brings the culture on a different level, in a practical, human sense, in words and power. There is no conflict. Ark, shut up til you directly answer the questions in that last post. That goes for others who have ridiculed me over two and a half years for saying these things. Empress Nzingha and those who see these things. I feel we must focus our energies on this key message, which is at the root of our salvation and unity as a nation. We must maintain our unity in the message by always sticking to this basis, so that people will not imagine that there are many messages. This is the way of progress, in the human sense. Big up, you are the leader of your way.

Messenger: RAS B Sent: 7/17/2006 5:01:41 AM

HLOY MOSIS I EMPRESS NZINGHA Blessed ah dem tru' ya trut'!! Fya Let Jah arise an di wicketman scatta

Messenger: Empress Nzingha Sent: 7/17/2006 9:57:33 AM

It is very interesting to me how easy it is to fall in and out of favor in this forum. It speaks to not only the level of maturity, but also the degrees of religious zeal and dogma many of you still cling to. When the color of flesh is the subject, there is war When it comes to content of text, there is war When it comes to bringer of prophesy, there is war But anytime anybody says we are all one, there is peace How can you make war if what you want is peace? Or is it that you don't know what peace is? There is never a reason to attack, there is only a reason to defend. How can you claim to know the truth and disrespect the person who provides the space for exploration? Ark I, let me appologise for those who do not see you as I do. One day they must learn or they will die.

Messenger: gideon Sent: 7/17/2006 5:25:44 PM

Who I disrespect? When? And when was I the aggressor? A man mess up and I show it in no uncertain terms. That's all. You chose to interpret something as aggression and falling out of favor and all that, but it is not so. I have nothing but love for Ark, but I tell him that he move like a big joke and need to check himself. It is clear for all to see. People cannot go about putting down a man for speaking the truth and then expect I wouldn't say anything about it. I held off for a long time, over two years. So how could my reaction be one of malice and falling out of favor and all that. I simply held my peace for the appointed time then spoke out in clear and precise terms so that my meaning could not be easily misunderstood. I know Ark engage in much pretense and it can be proven. I don't feel badly about people who do this. And when he do it in the way he do it, it is hypocrisy, but I still don't feel bad or try to put anyone down. He has good reasons for being a hypocrite. Remember I am the man always saying that a sinner is not guilty, so how could I be the aggressor when I state the facts. War is a natural thing, and for me it is a way of life, without apology. It is deep inside me, because of my status at this time, and the status of mother earth. Someone not at war in these times just lost his mind, that's all. Aggression is a different matter, and that is illusions, so I don't deal with that. I don't see how you can see aggression in what I write earlier. I advise the man to shut up and don't say nothing until he can respond clearly. I say it how I say it so those hearing can see what is the situation, that a man need to shut up. My whole thing about life is very simple, and it is only one thing I am about. That is, just know that we are spirit from God, or that we are the light of the rising sun. And when you know that we can talk, because we are on a level to overstand what is taking place when words are spoken. Now, Empress Nzingha, you should be able to see that I never speak anything bad about anyone, and that I just was speaking about the things that Ark endorse, and how he act and what he do, which is not a reflection of the man, but only of his condition. So please don't confuse and bring me in with the whole hatred thing of judging people. I never do that. If you see what I am saying all the time you will see that I never do that. I know Ark try he best, but he out of he depth in this thing. So he need to ites up and imble, and seek knowledge, and don't talk. Don't kill the messenger, I didn't make the news, I just report it.

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