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Messenger: ras ravin-i Sent: 12/13/2007 12:38:47 PM
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give thanks fyah...

were you peeping over my shoulder at what i was writing in response to the religionists?...i could not have said it beter...the i said clearly...i will post my response later...

giving thanks
ras ravin-i


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/13/2007 1:01:08 PM
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I and I have faith in the Bible but it is not restricted to just the Bible. I and I overstand that spirituality is greater than just a book. But the Bible is a book of prophecy. It also has many useful commandments that can help improve one's life. That is why I glory in the Bible The reason I and I like the King James Version is because it is the best english language version I and I can find. I and I wish to learn Ge'ez/Amharic so I and I can read of the many books that have been hidden from I and I. But I and I believe that the content of the King James version 1611 is most likely highly similar with that of the Ge'ez/Amharic version of the Ethiopian Orthodox church. One will not find similar content between Vatican St. Jerome texts and the Ethiopian versions. That is why I and I like the King James version, because it is better than all the other Jesuit perversions of the scripture. Once again, I and I am not saying the KJV is perfect, it is not, but it is the best English language version that exists. If there was an English language version of the Ge'ez/Amharic version, I and I would read that. But I and I cannot speak Ge'ez/Amharic right now, so I and I have to make the best of the English language Bibles.

KING SELASSIE I
LORD OF LORDS AND SAVIOR


SELAM


Messenger: Fiyah!!! Sent: 12/13/2007 1:29:21 PM
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Blessed Love,

Seen Ras Ravin I,

I am I always looking over I shoulder! For too long Mystical Rastafari have been leaving entertainers to carry the message of Rastafari. They have done a good job so far yet there is much more to Rastafari than most want to recognize. To them this Icept sounds new and different. Yet it is the true foundation of Rastafari. That which is unknown is beyond contemplation, unnameable. One cannot know the unknown without the known! One does not measure the darkness they measure the light. Jah Rastafari I.


Messenger: SunofMan Sent: 12/13/2007 1:32:18 PM
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Greetings...

FiYah!!!, Give Thanks, the I's post was totally on point, it was a joy to read that.

SELAM


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/13/2007 1:47:26 PM
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Fiyah!!!

I don't agree with all, but I do agree with a lot of the things you are reasoning about.

I sight that Oneness with God is something all of I and I were Created to be, and I look to Haile Selassie I and Jesus Christ to see the example of Jah that I and I are to Live. And I have no interest in being part of the EOC, if the EOC followed Haile Selassie I and could see HIM, then I view would probably be different.

How far can a person go before their way is not RasTafarI?

You spoke about considering the audience that Haile Selassie I was speaking to when He spoke about Christ and the Bible. But many of the things He said would not have had to be said just because He was speaking to a particular audience, they were very personal things regarding the Bible and Christ.

Maybe some people think they are bringing RasTafarI to a different Level when they decide to go farther and farther away from Haile Selassie I, but that doesn't make sense to I. The levels that I desire to Rise to are the levels of Mount Zion, not the levels of some other mountain.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I



Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 12/13/2007 4:01:07 PM
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Blessed Love Fiyah

With all do respect,iyah, the i should know better.
Stop patting your idren on the back and teach him how to behave and use the words of his mouth properly and cleanly
"They can only belittle the I on a personal level and not deal with the greater iritual truth"
the i actually wrote that??
As soon as people start talking to him, he starts calling people white and this and that, you cant teach me anything about Rastafari, you have no part in it, how many bhinghi have you been to...and all that, and its ini belittling him personally ??
"Yet they don't have any true authority to judge the I."
lol, i dont even know what that is supposed to mean
If you still think that i problem is with whatever his opinions are, then there is something really wrong here

Fire on them who cause division when there is none


Messenger: Fiyah!!! Sent: 12/13/2007 4:24:43 PM
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Blessed Raspect Ark I

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But how far can a person go before their way is not RasTafarI?
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That is for a person to answer for themselves. A Rasta should eat Ital food yet if a Ras decided to eat meat, it doesn't mean he is not Rastafari because of that. For that is a personal choice. Yet if doing so that I says it is acceptable for Rasta to eat meat. Then that is not truth, irregardless if Haile Selassie I HIMself ate meat, for example. There is judgment and greater judgment!

Seen, I would never deny what HIM say about the bible, Christianity and so on. That is not what I am saying. The realness of ones faith is not the question. It is a part of the Ethiopian Tradition and Istory. There is an Iniversiality to such sentiments HIM shared, that all peoples of different faith can relate to. Yet I am saying that Ethiopian culture and istory is more ancient that the bible and the religion of Christianity. It doesn't mean that it is not a part of it. The Ible and Christianity is a part of I personal experience also as it is for many Rastafari people. So I am not speaking from a perspective of ignorance concerning the church etc. One is not moving further and further away from HIM when they sight the fulness of all. It is quite the opposite. I am not telling ones they should not search for the truth where it guides them. I am saying do not confuse religious belief with true spirituality. Do not confuse following a thing and being one with KRST. Yes there are biblical laws that I adhere to yet there are also higher laws that can never be written. Ethiopian Orthodox tradition says Christianity was brought there by outsiders yet it is a fact that KRST is an Africian Icept. That is not a belief. That is real Istory. Like I have said the Ible is African, Istory, myths, allegories etc. rewritten from a certain perspective presented to Europeans to further a certain agenda. The stories of the old testament was codified in Alexandria Egypt. Even in the new testament says ...Acts 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. This is not a time to argue about mythology of a god returning from the clouds to save the earth. That is a religious belief. Foundation Rastafari saw in HIM the fulness of KRST! who in fact did return from the clouds to visit Rastafari people in Jahmayka!

HIM sat with the Pope of Rome. So should Rastafari people now seek to visit with the current Pope and tell him what a wonderful work he is doing?

Mount Zion for I is both an inner spiritual state and also a place on earth. Zi-ON/AN/ ANubia is in Ethiopia/Kemet.It is from there why most countries add AN to the last part of their countries name to rapresent belonging ie. Americ An, Jamaic An, Canadi An etc. So I could never move away from ZiON! For that is the foundation! What I am saying is nothing new. Just what was always there from the inception! HIM One the LiON from ZiON!


Ras KebreAB there is always a reason why people raspond the way they do. I do not know the Idren personally yet I know the reason why he rasponds the way he does right or wrong. When the I can Iverstand those feelings without judgment or partiality then there will be progress. There is always a chance to turn negative into positive. There is nothing wrong with division for it is all a part of the process. There could never be Inity if there wasn't division, subtraction, addition and multiplication. That is iritually known as Maat a matics! Blessed Love!


Rastafari





Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/13/2007 4:39:01 PM
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Fiyah!!!, you said,
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One is not moving further and further away from HIM when they sight the fulness of all.
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I agree with that, and from what I have seen from you so far, your thinking appears to be different from ravin-i.

It is one thing to speak about things that Haile Selassie I didn't speak about, but it is another thing to try to take away the fundamentals that Haile Selassie I deals with.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: Diego B. Sent: 12/13/2007 4:40:11 PM
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to Fyiah.

I am not surprised of what you said; i was waiting to see it in this discussion. I was waiting someone to came and talk about these usual stories.

Let's face a reality composed of this two main facts:

-Rastafari-->believer in the Divinity of Haile Selassie

-Haile Selassie's Acts and Words unto the Rastafarians--->Godly, to be applied and considered as Supreme Comandaments.

I think the point is clear now: if you are a Rastafarian you have to believe Haile Selassie is God; if you believe in that, you follow Haile Selassie.
What did Haile Selassie to the EOC? Ok, if you don't want to consider His Speeches, that you might think have to be interpreted that way (i want to be short, otherwise I would say a lot lot of things concerning that, so I put here on the tables pure facts), I would remind you the gaining of the Ethiopian autocephaly and His becoming "Head" of EOC. think this:
HIS is the Church; the Church (that now are the Rastafarians, just like the Synagogue became the Christian Church, so this is EVOLUTION) announce HIM.
Rastafarians- He would them to be educated by the Church, the Apostolic Authority, in order to have a theological basis, to know properly what the Kingly Ministry of Christ consisted in.
So He is the Head of the Church, and the Church are the Rastafarians: HE "comes out" of the true Christian Church, and He shows this.

look

He made the EOC indipendent and autocephal(is this casuality?, was He just adressing to a strict people concerned?, and were His restless Efforts just casuality, made because he was there and He decided he wanted to do it, not to filfill the Kingly Ministry?) He offered presents of Bibles to ethiopian students; He translated ge'ez Bibles in Amarich versions;He took Eucharist (maybe was it a mere casuality, because He was in a Church, with Christian people, and had to receive Eucharist as a somehow debt to the people that was with HIM??); He attened and directed the Orthodox Eastern Church Assembly and the World Church Council for the unifications of the Church of Christ ;He confirmed the Elections of the High Clergy; He promoted IN SCHOOLS Christian education; He offered presents ,Ethiopian gift, crafts, to many person, such as Golden Crosses or icons; during the Rastafarian Missions for repatriation, Rastafarians where received by the Abuna, and discussed with him on RastafarI, and the Abuna encouraged them, in theyr beliefs and in theyr being ethiopians. so the Rastafarian delegation was received by the Church, as if HIM in Person ordered it to the Abuna (in fact HIM controlled the whole situation of the mission, being the Head of the State, and He Who allowed the delegation to come to Ethiopia); He sent Abuna Yesheaq to Jamaica, not to convert Rastafarians, but to strenghten their faith, to have a theological basis and chucrchical and traditional knowledge (read the book "EOTC: an integrally african Church" by A.Yesehaq, and you will see that he didn't come to Jamaica to convert , but to teach for the growt of Rastafari).

Surely there are more and more things to add here; i wrote all these to show by facts and not Speeches (which you don't consider valid) His Supreme Communion with and Efforts toward the Church, that He watered with the Orthodox faith.

Done this, how deny that He did it by a Divine Plan?, and not just for a casuality of adressing to some people, today christian, tomorrow maybe muslims, and so on...

Undestood this, how, now, deny the Teaching of the Church of Christ,? that He promoted for our faith; a Teaching that is everything but what many myths and chatters whant make us believe, like their is a somehow higher knowledge, just because it goes beyond a book, and things...just like the ones written in the post I am adressing to: always heared and that always come out as mushrooms.

The Words unto the Rastafarians about centralization and organization prove nothing about Christianity; infact no one is saying here that He told them He was not Divine, nor that they had to change their view, as you said; as i said EOC could just strenghten them, not convert, though now the situation is different, but we have to consider that they do not see HIM on the Throne anymore, while, when they saw HIM they confessed mystically His Divinity, in many ways: think of Peter, that denied Him, but soon confessed again. So it is for EOC, one day.

He also said that Jesus Christ died and rose up. How could you think that He said this just to say something, and not to adfirm a Truth? If He dais so, IT IS SO! If you say KaRast ,Djewuti Heru and things, you contraddict His words, this is. If He says Jesus IS, then He thinks this so of course; it doesn't matter if He was adressing to this or to that: He said it.
If one should think like you said, then he should also thing that Haile Selassie could have said to the u.s.a. children that santaclaus, or babbo natale (like in italy is called) exists, and that they have to be good and trust in santa's coming to receive presents from the chymney? or to the aborigens of australia that theyr gods and goddes will be righteous toward them, and that theyr gods do actually live and reign for ever? I don't think so.

If He said something it was because it was true; much more if He said "Christ ERASED OUR SINS", and not just "Christ is a good exaple for humanity". He adfirm a concrete, and "physiological" truth about the REAL-existence and Mission of the Man Who saved us all.


Messenger: Fiyah!!! Sent: 12/13/2007 6:39:52 PM
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Blessed Raspect Ark I

Rastafari people that do not sight Jesus as depicted in the bible an istoric person is not moving further away from the fundamentals that HIM deals with. Spiritually they are moving closer to KRST. For all Rastafari people trod the KRST way overall! Many I's have grown up in the church and with Christianity before sighting Rastafari. So those things are familiar to most I dem. It is not out of ignorance I views are spoken. There is good that the church have done and is doing. Yet one cannot deny the Istory of religion used to subjugate many peoples and continually is doing to this day tax free. So as a Ras I do not tell ones what they should or shouldn't believe. That is their personal choice. What Iam telling them to do is to not stop at religious belief when seeking higher truth. This is why Rasta say to be Rastafari is to know and not believe.

Christians say if your not Christian you are going to hell. That is not I position. That is a religious position. Yet I say KRST is not a religion. Though some religions embrace KRST. KRST reveals to each in their own Ivertanding. It is not for I to judge anothers faith.

Again some people seem to only want to follow HIM where religion is spoken of. Yet why not follow HIM in all aspects of life. One do not have to be Rastafari in order to follow Haile Sellasie I words. Why hold on to traditions that are not traditions of the EOC?

Diego B you brought up many points, that I not going to address at this moment. I know of the works HIM did concerning the Church. I did not say HIM speeches should not be read and livicated. Again it was HIM pledge to build up the schools and to strengthen the EOC. That was what he pledged to do at Coronation. Ethiopians Orthodox have the right to their religious beliefs. Also just to mention many seem to not realize that not every Ethiopian is EOC. So what the Beta Israel for example should convert to EOC? What did HIM say to them? Or is it that Christians must convert to Judaism. Wasn't Jesus a Jew?

Where you say that if one sights the fulness of the Istory of Ethiopia/KRST/Heru etc that they are contradicting HIM. You are only speaking from your own belief of what you think you know of HIM. Yet you do not know the fulness of HIM of which you can never know. Just don't pass off your views as if it is some higher spiritual truth. All you are doing is explaining your perception of things and that is just one such perception shown to be based in religious beliefs. I and I sight HIM Haile Selassie I in dreams and visions in which HIM has guided I with wordsound. You can choose to believe that or not. There is no doubt in anything that I am saying! Again Rastafari people do not have issues with religionist it is religionist that have issues with Rastafari people who site things differently. You quote where HIM said Christ erased our sins and that is the truth for Christians, those who believe it as such. Yet I say if by a physical man dying the sins of the world was erased. Then explain why there is still sin in the world? Yah see for I it has a deeper meaning. True freedom does not come from religion. It comes from enlightenment.

All Praises to the Black KRST and Mother-land of Iration The Black/Ethiopian Ma Adona! Selassie I the First!

Rastafari





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