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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/26/2019 1:49:20 PM
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The national committee concluded there ws no risk to lung cancer due to their being indifference in final conclusion of some of the studies looking at lung cancer and Ganja..

I have gone one step further and looked at these studies and the criticism or limitations of them

A common finding in the studies which show no correlation between ganja and lung cancer is they are using patients aged 20-40 and following them up after 5-10 years.

The studies which tend to show a 2-8x increase link between ganja and cancer are studies over 40 year periods.

The conclusions from this are obvious.

However it is true that a certain number of positive studies may be needed first before the committee deem ganja as a cause for cancer.

That doesn't mean one can't use his own brains power for deducing a thought based on the evidence provided.

The committee DOES state ganja causes an increase risk for schizophrenia bipolar disease social anxiety disorder respiratory problems testicular cancer etc.


Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 1/26/2019 1:55:07 PM
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i see you're missing the point still, G.A. No problem. This is very esoteric stuff that people spend years getting their MDs & PhDs in. This disagreement we're having is a perfect case-in-point of why it's better use comprehensive review summaries designed for public use by experts (such as those prepared by organizations like The National Institutes) rather than individual papers. The potential for misinterpretation of the significance of esoteric studies among non-specialists is simply too great.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/26/2019 1:58:03 PM
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No I get the point completely. See above post. This is bread and butter to I. I am not the none specialist

The studies which look over 5 to 10 year periods do not show any increase in risk of lung cancer

The few studies over 40 year periods show an increase in lung cancer risk 2-8x

The committee deemed the evidence inconclusive as there clearly needs to be more studies over a longer period of time like more of the 40 year studies. However these studies take...40 years to complete. It's quite obvious...


Away from studies of epidemiology as discussed above,

I have also provided evidence of lung biopsies from ganja smokers showing cancerous and precancerous cellular changes

Using ones brain. One can quite clearly deduce ganja SMOKE is a risk of cancer. The only debate for me is to what extent.


Some Rasta sects since the origin have been chanting against the use of smoke which is why many have preferred steam chalice

The other thread shows cancer is a top 3 cause of death among InI. So anything which may reduce that risk should be highlighted


Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 1/27/2019 3:38:30 AM
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I&i weary of the back and forth, G.A. Please try to be fair, balanced and, most of all, scientific in your further postings, and present the true risk/benefit relationships of ganja use. Scientific research used to manipulate or mislead is an unfortunate abuse of what scientists seek to accomplish with it. i trust you'll be responsible.
Most of all, may we recall that one size rarely fits all in Life.

PEACE


Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 1/27/2019 7:02:23 AM
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Love and oneness Idren

I am not here to refute anything either side is saying. It's good to see either side of the evidence and to make a personal choice, as we are all adults in this reasoning we all have that right.

I just want to respond to what the I Garveys Africa said: And to believe ones can only reach happiness or calmness or spirituality by using psychedelic drugs is complete fukkery. And an offence to the divinity of man.
I dont know if this was directed toward me or Nesta, or just a general statement! I definitely never said nor intended to imply that the ONLY way to reach any form of heights was through psychadelics. Definitely it is possible without any kind of plant teachers. But I dont see the plants as a detriment, and overall they have been a benefit to me personally. But I recognize that we all have a different path in life, my path is one I wouldnt force upon anyone else. For those who dont want to seek those experiences with psychadelics I fully support that choice also. Just wanted to make that point clear!

Alright go on with the debate now haha
More love


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/27/2019 11:46:59 AM
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My findings in this thread are the balance. I M presenting all of the reasons why ganja isn't a part of the fundamentals of Rastafari livity including it's seemingly obvious negative effects on health as proven by scientific evidence. Nesta provided a report from the National Commitee.. I read it, i critiqued it and I provided many of the sources of reviews of which the committee looked at and made judgement as to why they reached their cinclusion; showing the limitations of many of the studies which showed no correlation between herbs and cancer vs the ones that did. I also sated the many other health effects outside of cancer and the many other reasons outside of bad health why I believe it isn't for I.

Jah Child - I was responding to a post which claimed something along the lines of people using ganja to destress and relax. Well I could use valium to the same effect but it doesn't mean I should. I am saying to use a drug to feel irie isn't within my definition of natural livity.


Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 1/27/2019 12:36:46 PM
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Keep in mind the occult use of psychedelic drugs to put people in highly suggestible states of mind.. Like LCD or mushrooms and the growing popularity of ayahuasca.. We can look at CIA programs like MK-Ultra or Wormwood to see recent uses, but there is nothing new under the sun.. These psychedelic ceremonies have deep roots in the occult and satanism..

Now I dont necessarily agree that Cannabis falls into that category, but there are definitely psychoactive effects and caution should be used when buying or consuming it.. One thing I find interesting, is that we come 'preprogrammed' with cannabinoid receptors in our bodies straight from creation.. Exactly what that means is up for grabs.. Maybe instead of smoking it, smoking ANYTHING is inherently bad for the lungs, we should harness more of the hemp CBD oils without psychoactive properties.. Those oils have profound medical benefits and actively challange the big pharma industries..


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/27/2019 6:39:57 PM
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We also have opioid receptors


That's not to say we should use heroin.


But I definitely have less of a problem with oral consumption of ganja or using thc oil. I have seen thc oil be used to protect my uncle against the recurrence of stomach cancer successfully. I agree Hemphill- to try and argue that regular smoke consumption of anything is anything less than toxic is redundant to I. One may argue the degree to which this is harmful but it cannot be argued for me that it IS harmful


Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 1/31/2019 12:31:38 AM
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Where does ones belief come into effect?
Believe the herb will heal you and it will.
Believe the herb will give you cancer it might.
What ever we do , what ever we eat, what ever we partake in or don't,
do it with faith and thanksgiving. Or don't partake in it!
If I eat broccoli with no faith in it and even believe enough it is poison I may die. One mans healing medicinal herb smoke is another mans poison.
Faith can move mountains, use wisely.

Faith is greater than science. Cant explain JAH with stats, studies, reports, journals, speculation, or any crafts of the human mind. Sorry science, your limited. The wisdom of your world is foolishness with JAH


Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 1/31/2019 12:42:59 AM
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Ras Jesse, this reminds me of a Peter Tosh interview I was watching. Tosh says "it takes mysticism to be a bush doctor." Saying if you just take the herbs and mix them together, that is nothing. It has to have the spirit in it for the medicine to be effective.
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