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Messenger: Nefertiti Sent: 9/20/2005 10:12:43 PM
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Blessed love rasta far i
haile I selassie I

bless ras native root... no dis-raspect, just wondering the point of ur be-LIE-f in not the NT. It seemed to be a provaocative statement of sorts.. the better acton i woul dhave made was not to comment i site now. No need for i to validate or invalidate what u be-LIE-ve...i am interested in what the i know to open up reasoning.

Be_LIE-fs and opinions, what are they for? Hold fast to them if they are important to the i. Christains allways be telling me thier be-LIE-fs and when i question them about them they want to run and hide behind them... and not wann hear anything about what I KNOW.. site... Bredren, i RASpect Iron sharpening Iron, but what is the purpose to say this or that and not stand up for it... Why run behind ur beLIEfs or opinions...KNOW urself....

not on any horse or high....ones and ones seeking knowledge and if there is something to be gained by what u know...then it is a blessing.. so why the PROVOCATION?

Bless to yhanting the psalms--that is essential every morning..i have struggled with ENOCH and i site it ESSENTIAL text.. i be blessed to here the summary of what ENoch has to say to the i, guidance on trodding thru the book of ENOCH....

RASpect allway
rasta far i






Messenger: native root Sent: 9/20/2005 10:18:51 PM
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yes i give thanks.the priory of sion invented the new testament when the church told them they could only keep 27 books out side of the ot.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 9/20/2005 10:49:37 PM
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All I and I really need to do is Live for Jah and listen to Jah guidance and direction. I and I will all receive the same reward for doing this, whether or not I and I read even one word from the bible.

Chanting Psalms is good, but I and I can also chant to Jah without a script, just by using I and I Irits to direct I and I voice in Praise.

Reading the whole bible is also good, but as I said Living for Jah and heeding to Jah guidance is the only necessity. When I and I live like this, I and I will be One.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: Dreadnut Sent: 9/21/2005 3:02:10 AM
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f you come across some words used in our King James Bible that have changed their meaning since 1611, there's a Bible Word List published by the Trinitarian Bible Society of London, England, that lists them all with a brief definition of each [order B.F.T. #1060 from Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108]. There are only 618 of these words out of 791,328 in the King James Bible.

Using this little booklet will save you the time of looking these words up in a dictionary (although all of them are in a good dictionary). They are right there, with a brief explanation of what they mean. I've looked at all these 618 and have come up with only 257 words that I would really have to look up if I were not familiar with the King James Bible. Maybe you would have to look up more than that, but all 618 are listed. For instance, "draught" which would be "drain," or "sewer." The word "fan" is "a winnowing fan." "Press vat" is a "vat of a wine press." "Ossiphrage" is a "vulture which breaks the bones of its prey." There may be a few other words you don't understand, but the meaning can be found by a dictionary or a small pamphlet like this one which you can keep in your Bible.


http://www.wayoflife.org/otimothy/tl020003.ht


THE DEFICIENCIES OF OTHER ENGLISH VERSIONS

Let me tell you what the difficulty is in trying to find the Words of God if you are not using the King James Bible. You don't know which English words are actually found in the Hebrew or the Greek. Unlike the King James Bible, most of the modern versions don't use italics to tell us what has been supplied for sense, though NOT in the original languages.

The New American Standard Version uses italics occasionally where they depart from the Hebrew or Greek, but there are so many other words added, subtracted, or changed, that you just don't know what the original words are. What you have to do is what I had to do. I read the entire NASV, from Genesis to Revelation, listening to the King James Bible on a cassette tape recording, while looking at the New American Standard Version and underlining in red some of the significant alterations and changes. Then I compared these changes with the Hebrew and Greek texts that underlie the King James Bible (which I accept as the true and accurate original language texts). I found over 4,000 examples of addition, subtraction, and change regarding the Words of God. [This study is available in B.F.T. report #1494-P.]

To be certain of the accuracy of any version other than the King James Bible, you would have to check every Hebrew and Greek word. This is much more difficult than using this simple word list to look up the mere 618 words with which you might not be familiar. The little pamphlet [mentioned earlier] is an accurate guide. There are only a few words to look up.

You have the same lack of accuracy, though in not as many places, in the New King James Version. I found over 2,000 examples of Dynamic Equivalency in that version, where the editors had added to, subtracted from, or changed God's Words. As I did the research, I indicated in red, on the version I used, the changes from the King James Bible, and, in many instances, from the Hebrew and Greek. There are changes in the footnotes also. There are many problems in the New King James Version. You wonder which words are accurate and which ones are not. [This study is available in B.F.T. report #1442.]

The same is true for the New International Version. In 2 Samuel, for example, I have all kinds of red marks indicating changes. The major differences I put on a tape recording and said, "The Hebrew or the Greek or the King James says this and here's what the NIV says." I ended up with over 6,653 examples of additions, omissions, or changes plus departures from the proper Hebrew and Greek original language texts in the New International Version. It took me two years and eight months to complete, and then there were hundreds and hundreds of examples that were left out due to space and time factors. I came up with a computer printout like we have for the New King James and the New American Standard Version. It is 284 large pages, and is available from The Bible for Today. [B.F.T. report #1749-P.]

HAS THE KING JAMES BIBLE BEEN CHANGED SINCE 1611?

Because people often say that the present King James Bible is so very different from the original 1611 King James Bible, I looked into this question carefully. Nelson Publishers put out the 1611 King James Bible in regular Roman type script that we can read. They let it go out of print, and then brought it back into print. The original 1611 King James Bible was in German script. I have photographic copies of the original King James Bible in the German script. It is difficult to read. The "s" is different, for example. But Nelson put it into our kind of script. They did that on a page by page basis.

I have heard through the years (and perhaps you have also) that all the New King James Version was going to do was take the 1611 and make one more edition and bring it up to date. It was said that the King James Bible had undergone thousands of serious changes from 1611 to 1979, when the NKJV first came out. I said to myself, "Is that true?" So I examined the Old Scofield Reference King James Bible of 1917, by listening to it as I read that edition of the King James Bible on cassette recording. While listening to the King James Bible, I compared it diligently, word for word, from Genesis through Revelation, with the A.V. 1611 as published by Nelson.

There were very few changes that I could hear with my ear. There are many spelling changes; they spelled words differently in the original King James Bible than they do today. For instance in Joshua 31:1, "Moses went and spake these words to all Israel." In the original King James the word "words" is spelled "wordes." All I noted were the differences between sounds. Comparing the 1611 King James Bible to the King James of today I found very few changes of sound. We printed up all the details, just the way they are. The sound differences were minor.

There are only 421 changes affecting the sound throughout the entire Old and New Testaments. Do you know how many words there are in the King James Bible? There are 791,328 words. Out of that total, there are only 421 words in the 1611 King James Bible which have a different sound from the words of the King James Bible we have today. Of these 421 changes, 285 are minor changes of "form" only. There are only 136 changes of "substance," such as an added "of" or "and." Some examples of minor changes are as follows: I can hear the difference and so can you between "towards" and "toward." So, if I could hear it, I put it down. Fourteen times that happened. I could hear the difference between "burnt" and "burned" 31 times, so I put that down. As long as you could hear the difference, I recorded it as a change in this list of 421 changes. For instance, "amongst" and "among." There were 36 of those changes. "Lift up" instead of "lifted up" was used 51 times. "You" was changed to "ye" 82 times. You can see that these are extremely minor changes. This totals up to 214 of these kind of minor changes. There were 71 other minor changes which total 285 changes of form only. In summary, then, I found there were 285 changes of FORM ONLY, and only 136 changes of SUBSTANCE, making a total of 421 changes in all to the ear. This research is available as B.F.T. #1294.

Don't let people say what we have today really isn't the King James Bible. It most certainly IS! It is a lie to imply that there are 30,000, 40,000, or 50,000 important differences. If they mean differences in spelling, that is one thing; but spelling is not important as far as listening or meaning are concerned. So God's Word is still kept intact by our present King James Bible.

[O Timothy Editor: The above is excerpted from the Introduction to Dr. Donald A. Waite's book Defending the King James Bible. This excellent book presents a four-fold superiority of the KJV. It is based upon superior original language texts. It was produced by superior translators. It employs a superior translation technique. It exhibits a superior theology. Dr. Waite is a highly qualified defender of the King James Bible. He received a B.A. in classical Greek and Latin from the University of Michigan in 1948; a Th.M. with high honors in New Testament Greek Literature and Exegesis from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1952; an M.A. in Speech from Southern Methodist University in 1953; a Th.D. with honors in Bible Exposition from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1955; and a Ph.D. in Speech from Purdue University in 1961. He holds both New Jersey and Pennsylvania teacher certificates in Greek and Language Arts. He has been a teacher in the areas of Greek, Hebrew, Bible, Speech, and English for over 35 years in nine schools. He has produced over 700 studies, booklets, cassettes, or VCR's in defense of the Word of God. His 307-page book Defending the King James Bible is available from Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108.]



Messenger: Dreadnut Sent: 9/21/2005 3:16:46 PM
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The priory of sion? hahaha, get your head out of the davicni code bredren, theres not even proof that these people even existed, and if they did they fell off in the 17th century.




Messenger: Dreadnut Sent: 9/21/2005 3:23:05 PM
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This article is a response to questions that people have asked us in regards to the novel, The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown. The novel was published in 2003 and has sold millions of copies. The novel, which is fiction, claims that the New Testament of the Bible is false and that Christianity, as we know it today, is radically different from the "original" Christianity. This article seeks to explain that the theory behind The Da Vinci Code, is false.

1. Fiction: Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus.

This claim is the backbone of Brown's novel. The The Da Vinci Code claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, that they had children, and that their descendants included a line of kings in France, as well as some of the main characters in Brown's novel.

Despite Brown's claims, however, there are no historical documents that claim that Jesus was married - not even the "Gnostic gospels" that Brown mentions in his novel. (The Gnostic texts were written a century or more after the New Testament. The Gnostic texts borrow some names and ideas from Christianity but the texts are not Christian and they are not used by Christians.)

The only specific evidence that Brown cites to support this claim of a marriage is a passage from one of the Gnostic texts - the so-called "gospel of Phillip." And that lone piece of evidence actually undermines Brown's claim.

The main problem with the "Phillip" passage is that it clearly shows that even in the context of this Gnostic text, Mary Magdalene and Jesus could not have been married. If you read the passage, as shown on page 246 of the hardcopy version of The Da Vinci Code, you'll see for yourself:

"the companion of the Savior is Mary Magdalene. Christ loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, 'Why do you love her more than all of us?'"

If, in the context of this Gnostic text, the Savior and Magdalene were supposedly married, then why would the disciples bother to ask why he loved her more than them?

Can you imagine a scenario in which a group of men would ask a married man, "Why do you love your wife more than us? And, for that matter, why do you keep kissing your wife?" Such a question wouldn't make any sense. In fact, it wouldn't make any sense even if the two were merely engaged or simply dating.

The only way that the question would make sense in the Gnostic text is if there was no reason for Mary Magdalene to be treated any differently than the men. And the only way that this could be true is if Mary Magdalene was supposed to have the exact same relationship with the "Savior" as did the "other disciples." In other words, only if she was not married, or otherwise intimately involved.

There are other problems with Brown's marriage theory:

• Despite Brown's "translation" of that key passage from the Gnostic gospel of Phillip, the word "mouth" doesn't actually appear in the original text. According to page 49 of The Da Vinci Deception, by Erwin W. Lutzer: "You should know that because of the poor quality of the papyrus, a word or two is missing in the original. The text reads, 'Jesus kissed her often on the [blank].' So scholars fill in the blank with the word mouth, face, or forehead, etc. Actually, for all we know the text might have said 'the hand' or even 'the cheek' since the statement implies that he also kissed his other students – presumably on the cheek as is still done in the Middle East."

• Brown claims that the Aramaic word for "companion" literally meant "spouse." That is not true according to various Aramaic scholars. And, even more importantly, the Gnostic gospel of Phillip was not written in Aramaic. It was written in Coptic.

• None of the Gnostic gospels ever claimed that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married. Even the so-called Gnostic gospel of Mary Magdalene fails to makes such a claim.

• Finally, consider this from page 41 of The Truth Behind The Da Vinci Code, by Richard Abanes, in regards to the Gnostic Phillip text: Ironically, if this text does anything, it cuts out the very heart of any assertion about Mary and Jesus being wed. It does so by adhering to one of the basic tenets of ancient Gnosticism, which declares that all physical matter was inherently evil. Consequently, sexual relations were intrinsically debasing! The Gospel of Phillip goes so far as to say that marital relations defile a woman.


2. Fiction: The Gnostic gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls are "the earliest Christian records."

The The Da Vinci Code claims that the New Testament is a forgery and that the Gnostic gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls are the original Christian texts.

This claim, however, is flatly contradicted by an overwhelming amount of scholarship by Christians and non-Christians. Many scholars believe that the New Testament was written during the first century and that the Gnostic texts were written no sooner than the second century. And, the Dead Sea Scrolls don't contain any gospels of any kind. In fact, the Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain any Christian writings of any kind.

There are four New Testament Gospels, which are named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Many scholars believe that these were written during the century in which Jesus lived. The Gnostic gospels are generally believed to have been written later – about 100 to 300 years later. These Gnostic texts borrow some elements from Christianity, including the names of Jesus and his apostles, but these writings are not Christian.

There are major differences between the New Testament Gospels and the Gnostic gospels. The New Testament Gospels contain details about life in the land of Israel during the first century. They also contain several references to Old Testament passages, prophecies and theological concepts. For Christians, the New Testament is the continuation of the Old Testament. In contrast, the Gnostic texts contain very little detail to suggest that their authors had ever been to the land of Israel, or that they were even alive during the first century. And the theological concepts of the Gnostic texts sharply contradict those that are found in the Old Testament.

Consider this from pages 26 and 27 of The Truth Behind the Da Vinci Code, by Richard Abanes:

"But were the Gnostic gospels written prior to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Most scholars, Christian and non-Christian, would answer no. They date the Gnostic gospels (for example, those in the Nag Hammadi collection) to about A.D. 150 to 250. Although many of these texts are Coptic translation of earlier Greek texts (that are no longer extant), most scholars agree that the material itself still does not date previous to the mid 100s to the early 200s.

"In other words, the Gnostic texts were written after the books of Matthew (about 65 to 100), Mark (about 40 to 75), Luke (about 60 to 80), and John (about 90). They [the Gnostic texts] were late arrivals, which is one reason why church leaders rejected them. ... These Gnostic gospels not only disagreed with the older [New Testament] Gospels, which were already accepted by Christians, but they lacked authority since their authors were neither a) apostles of Jesus nor b) persons associated with apostles of Jesus. ... No one really knows who wrote the [Gnostic] texts."

As for Brown's claim about the Dead Sea Scrolls - these scrolls were found in 1947, not in the 1950s as Brown mistakenly claims on page 234 of The Da Vinci Code. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain copies and fragments of Old Testament books and various religious and secular writings. But they do not contain any gospels, and they do not contain any references to Jesus. In fact, many of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written centuries before the time of Jesus.


3. Fiction: Christianity stole its ideas and concepts from paganism.

The Da Vinci Code, on page 232: claims: "Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian god Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 was also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh."

This sequence of claims has puzzled many critics of Brown's book as to their possible origin, if indeed they have an origin outside of the author's imagination.

Serious scholars who have studied the Mithraic traditions, including Franz Cumont, paint a very different portrayal. They don't mention any death of Mithra, and they certainly don't mention any type of resurrection for Mithra.

Some Christians do celebrate Christmas on December 25 as a time of year to commemorate the birth and life of Jesus. But that doesn't mean that they believe that Jesus was born on that particular date. In fact, the Bible does not mention a specific birth date for Jesus.

For comparison, consider the American holiday called "Presidents Day." The holiday occurs on a day in February, but that doesn't mean that Americans believe that all presidents were born on that particular day in February. Of course not. It is simply a day that is set aside to commemorate American presidents.

As for the claim that the myths known as Osiris, Adonis and Dionysus were born on December 25, I have been unable to track down any scholarly source that actually makes that claim.

In regards to some of the other claims involving Mithra and Christianity, consider the following from page 87 of de-coding Da Vinci: The facts behind the fiction of The Da Vinci Code by Amy Welborn:

"Mithras was a god with many forms. By the centuries after Christ, his cult was primarily a mystery religion, popular among men, especially soldiers. Mithraic studies do not find any attribution of the titles 'Son of God' or 'Light of the World,' as Brown claims. There is also no mention of a death-resurrection motif in Mithraic mythology. Brown seems to have picked this up from a discredited nineteenth-century historian, who provided no documentation for his assertion. The same historian is the source for the Krishna connection to which Brown alludes. There is not a single story in actual Hindu mythology of Krishna being presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh at his birth (see Miesel and Olsen, Cracking the Anti-Catholic Code)."


4. Fiction: The sacred name for God has a paganistic origin.

The Da Vinci Code, on page 309, claims: "The Jewish Tetragrammaton YHWH - the sacred name of God - in fact derived from Jehovah, an androgynous physical union between the masculine Jah and the pre-Hebraic name for Eve, Havah"

This is perhaps one of the most embarrassing errors within Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. The word Jehovah isn't the name for God. In fact, that word doesn't appear in the Bible in either the Hebrew text of the Old Testament or in the Greek text of the New Testament. The word Jehovah is a made-up English word.

The ancient Jews began a tradition that they would not pronounce the name of God (YHWH), as a way of showing respect. Instead, when they read aloud from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), and they came across the name for God (YHWH), they would substitute another word – the Hebrew word for "Lord," which is "Adonah." This is similar to the practice of addressing a king as "Lord," rather than as "king."

Over time, the vowel sounds for the Hebrew word "Adonah" were fused with the consonants for the name of God (YHWH), and a new word was created - "Yehovah." (This hybrid word, which didn't exist until roughly 500 years ago, was often mistakenly pronounced by English speakers as "Jehovah," even though there is no J sound in the Hebrew language).

Therefore, any theory, however ill-intentioned or well-intentioned, that involves either the word "Jehovah" or the word "Yehovah" is completely meaningless, because there is no such word in the Hebrew text of the Old Testament or in the Greek text of the New Testament.

Brown, however, isn't the first person to mistakenly think that Jehovah was an actual word. And given the popularity of his novel, he won't be the last.


5. Fiction: The Vatican killed an "astounding 5 million women" during the witch hunts

This is important to Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code, because in order for novel's storyline to work, the Catholic Church must be portrayed as an evil, oppressive institution that hates, oppresses and feels threatened by women.

But, despite Brown's claims that there were 5 million women burned to death by the Vatican, the fact is many scholars, including those who are not Christian, say that the witch hunts were generally done by local governments and individuals. Many scholarly sources estimate that the number of people killed by the witch hunts is between 20,000 to 100,000. And, some sources estimate that 20 to 25 percent of the victims were men.

Here are some additional details from page 36 of The Truth Behind the Da Vinci Code:

It also should be noted that these persecutions were actually "a collaborative enterprise between men and women at the local level." Adam Jones, professor of international studies at the Center for Research and Teaching Economics (Mexico City), has cited many sources showing that most of the accusations of witchcraft "originated in 'conflicts [that] normally opposed one woman to another.'"

For instance, Jones quotes Robin Briggs (author of Witches & Neighbours: The Social and Cultural Context of European Witchcraft) as saying that "most informal accusations were made by women against other women." In Malevolent Nurture, Deborah Willis of the University of California, Riverside, confirms that "women were actively involved in making witchcraft accusations against their female neighbors." She adds, "To a considerable extent, then, village-level witch-hunting was women's work."


6. Fiction: Emperor Constantine shaped the New Testament.

This is essential to the plot in The Da Vinci Code because it requires that the reader can believe that Constantine replaced the Gnostic writings with what we now call the New Testament. But, Constantine could not have had a hand in shaping the New Testament for two reasons: He wasn't born soon enough and he didn't live long enough. Based on writings from early church leaders, which date from the year 96 through the year 112, 24 of the 27 books that are part of today's New Testament were already regarded by early Christians as being authoritative, a full 213 years before Constantine convened the Council of Nicea. And, the Council of Nicea didn't canonize anything. The canonization process occurred a full 70 years later, on a different continent. In addition, there were several writings by early church leaders, who died long before Constantine was even born, that collectively quote thousands of New Testament passages.


7. Fiction: The Vatican demonized pagan worship.

The Da Vinci Code, page 37: "As part of the Vatican's campaign to eradicate pagan religions and convert the masses to Christianity, the church launched a smear campaign against the pagan gods and goddesses, recasting their divine symbols as evil.... Venus' pentacle became the sign of the devil."

Many people might not realize this, but there is a great deal of historical evidence that shows that pagans tried to eradicate Christianity and that pagans copied Christian symbols and ceremonies in the hopes of surviving the rapid spread of Christianity, especially during the first three centuries after the time of Jesus. During that era, the pagans had tremendous resources, including the support of emperors, who by default, where designated as high priests of pagan religions. Their efforts to eradicate Christianity were remarkably unsuccessful, and Christianity was able to become the first religion to spread to followers worldwide. Even today, it can be argued that Christianity is still the only worldwide religion.

As for Brown's claim about the pentacle, even that contradicts historical evidence. The fact is, many Christians actually embraced the pentacle! "The truth is, during the later medieval era (the 1100s to the 1500s), Christians used the pentagram and pentacle as a reminder of Christ's five wounds (hands, feet, side, back, head). They also used it as a symbol for "the five books of Moses" and "the five stones used by David against Goliath," according to page 32 of The Truth Behind the Da Vinci Code.

There is nothing about a symbol, such as the pentacle or pentagram, that is inherently good or evil. Its meaning depends on who is using it and for what purpose they are using it. Some school teachers will mark a student's homework assignment with a star (a pentacle) to show that the student did excellent work. In this context, there is nothing demonic about the pentacle, it simply represents "stellar" work. But, when the founder of the Church of Satan needed a symbol for his religion during the 1960s he chose to use a pentacle, which he turned upside down. A pentacle, then, is what one makes of it.

So who "demonized" the pentacle? According to some scholars, and according to some modern pagan sources, it was a French occultist who lived during the 1800s. In other words, it was a pagan who "demonized" the symbol.


8. Fiction: Constantine and the Vatican demonized Mary Magdalene and sought to degrade women as part of a "power grab."

These claims are very important to Dan Brown's storyline. The historical evidence, however, strongly contradicts Brown's claim. Mary Magdalene is held in special regard by the Catholic Church, in part because she was the first person to witness the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If the Catholic Church wanted to tarnish the image of Mary Magdalene, and if it was willing to rewrite scripture to do it, then why would it allow Mary Magdalene to be the first person to have witnessed the most important event in all of Christianity, which is the resurrection?

Another problem for Brown's theory is that the Vatican exalts Mary Magdalene – as a saint! In fact, several churches are named in honor of Mary Magdalene, who is also honored with an annual celebration by Catholics.

And if someone can still think that Brown's theory is somehow true, that the Vatican allegedly hates women, then consider its regard for another woman named Mary – the mother of Jesus. And when you're finished contemplating that, apologize to yourself if you even momentarily thought that Dan Brown was on to something.


9. Fiction: "Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."

Da Vinci Code, pages 232-233: "Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans. Christianity honored the Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but Constantine shifted it to coincide with the pagan's veneration day of the sun."

Actually, long before Constantine was even born, there were Christian writings that made it clear that there was a Sabbath, which corresponds to Saturday, and a "Lord's Day," which corresponds to Sunday. Since the early beginnings of Christianity, Christians had an affection for the first day of the week (Sunday) because this is the day on which Jesus was resurrected. Early references to the "Lord's Day" include Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2, which are books in the New Testament. These were written during the first century and predate the birth of Constantine by more than 200 years! Outside of the New Testament, there are early Christian writings that confirm that Christians celebrated a "Lord's Day" (Sunday). These writings include those by Justin Martyr and Melito of Sardis. Both lived during the Second Century (during the 100s), and both had already died before Constantine was even born.


Messenger: native root Sent: 9/21/2005 3:52:22 PM
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dreadnut, is the i a rastafarian or a christian?


Messenger: Nyah Jahphet Anbassa I Sent: 9/21/2005 4:26:12 PM
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Was Yeshuah and Israelite or a Christian?

Selah


Messenger: native root Sent: 9/21/2005 4:29:32 PM
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he wasnt a christian. christianity didnt start till years after his death.


Messenger: Dreadnut Sent: 9/21/2005 7:55:50 PM
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I belive in Christ, so yes i am a Christian, I belive that His Majesty is the Fullfillment of that Christ so i am A Rastafari.

Despite that these things that have been posted are facts and i want to know how you think about them. i know you got your info from the davinci code book, which the author himself said was a fiction book. So where is that evidence now? Who wrote the New Testament bredren?

SO I ASK YOU BREDREN, IF I AM WRONG AND ITS THAT OBVIOUS PLEASE GO THROUGH MY POST AND TELL ME WERE MY FACTS ARE WRONG. IF THERE ISN'T ANY THEN I SUGGEST MORE RESEARCH. yOU SHOULD READ, "DECODING THE DAVINCI CODE."


The only thing that Christian means is that one is a follower of Christ, it has no attachments to denominations. But due to further revelations in this time, the Lord has come with a New Name, Jah Rastafari! I am not 12 tribes nor that Christafari nonsense. Haile Selassie I is the Almighty. I call myself by Rastafari, because anyone who knew Christ would know Haile Selassie I, and I have written His knew name on I man.


Blessed


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