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Misinformation in and about science

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Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 12/2/2022 1:58:39 AM
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Science failed the covid19 test.
Masks work, masks dont work. Both neither.
Children are at less risk. No they are not.
Mask them. Dont mask them.
Dont let them go to school. Its ok.
2 weeks to flatten the curve. Actually.....
The vaccinated cant pass it on... ooops yes they can
1 shot will do it.....just kidding need one every 4 months....
And the list can go on.
Trust the science of confusion.
Babylon means a "confusing noise."


Misinformation in and about science:


https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1912444117


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 12/2/2022 10:16:15 AM
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This website shows all the time brethren, there is misinterpretation anywhere there is room for human interpretation. This is human afterthought, not the science itself which is by definition, a testable observation of the natural world. How righteous. Without considering the natural world there is no consideration of thr spiritual world. Without astronomy and anthropology, there is no Bible. Without chemistry physics and maths, there is no ancient monuments of worship and grandiosity.

This a mislabel...

With COVID it was the governments who told people to wear masks, it was scientific research which showed people why masks were ineffective and which masks have better results. It was the governments and profit maximizing drug companies who wanted a vaccine out with speed over effectiveness or safety. It was normal standards of practice within the science of pharmacology that were not being kept to such as testing periods (testing being a part of the very definition of science, how scientific were the vaccines? There is still no vaccine for ChikV / Chikingunya!!!)

There is lots of misinformation about how to cook a healthy and pleasing meal. There are lots of fast food chains only out for a profit, and lots of opportunists as well as people just poorly skilled or slack in the kitchen. I cant go and then blame 'cooking.' Who was the Chef?

Rastafari


Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 12/2/2022 1:53:21 PM
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" Without astronomy and anthropology, there is no Bible. Without chemistry physics and maths, there is no ancient monuments of worship and grandiosity. " - GA

Wonderfully said!
The balance between spirit and matter, religion and science, evolution and creation is cruicial. All studies are interconnected.

If we look at music and technology there ia creation and evolution. Cant have the next gen of cell phone or vehicle without both evolution and creation.

Rastafari saved me. Showing the balance and oneness between the natural and the mystical, both health of body and health of soul.
The power of reasoning with in I self, with JAH, and with other minds is essential to bring the balance in our vision as individuals and collectives.

I found a truth to be supported not only by the bible or other religious scriptures and teachings as well as reliable scientific research, philosophy, psychology, art and most of all lived experience.


Still we must beware:
"from the forest itself come the handle to the axe."

GA also wrote
"Without considering the natural world there is no consideration of thr spiritual world.."

This reminds of a passage in Bible:

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" -1John4:20



Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 12/8/2022 9:43:43 AM
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Wow... GA's breakdown was masterful.


Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 12/8/2022 11:53:55 AM
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jessep:
Science failed the covid19 test.
Masks work, masks dont work. Both neither.
Children are at less risk. No they are not.
Mask them. Dont mask them.
Dont let them go to school. Its ok.
2 weeks to flatten the curve. Actually.....
The vaccinated cant pass it on... ooops yes they can
1 shot will do it.....just kidding need one every 4 months....
And the list can go on.
Trust the science of confusion.
Babylon means a "confusing noise."



To piggyback on what GA said... we would not have known what was killing people if it wasn't for science. And if we didn't know what it was or how it behaved no one would have been social distancing or taking ANY measures and people would have been killing their own family members by spreading a disease that kills people with pre-existing conditions. Without science and people like Dr. Fauci tens of millions of people would have died. And the fact that this was a new virus it means that as they learned more they were able to give better advice. But a lot of the information that was put out was hijacked by political operatives. We saw that here. People were spreading misinformation, not just to make us more distrustful of our own government (which we have no problems not trusting on our own), but for the purpose of killing as many of us as possible, especially people in the black community. So this misinformation wasn't coming from a place of love or care, but rather politics and espionage. They wanted us to think it was all fake so that we would carry the virus to our loved ones. Less black people also means less votes for the democratic party.

At the same time, the misinformation made fun of masks because they wanted us to think that masks were useless. And when I say they... I'm not talking about the government. In this case, the government was doing its job, trying to protect us. And not just the US government which has less credibility. It was all governments around the world. Which one of them wants the majority of their tax payers to die? Let me tell you. None! So while we think about people doing the right thing strictly for moral reasons... there are other practical reasons that immoral people use that cause them to do the right thing. And if you think they're doing the wrong thing because you don't see them as moral people, which is fine, then you might endanger yourself and your family by not understanding that they are still doing the right thing.

Example: Practically supply chain issues

When the disease first started spreading they knew that there was a type of mask that would stop covide from getting IN. And IN vs OUT is the distinction here that many people got confused about and started spreading misinformation because of. Science has LONG been able to keep viruses from getting IN. They have special suits for this that they use when handling viruses. They have special protocols for storing viruses. All this technology gets smaller and smaller just like everything else. And so the mask that everyone should have gotten from the very beginning was the N95 mask. But people are crazy when it comes to self-preservation. They will steal from others. They will kill others. Etc. We saw the same kind of behavior we would see in movies when people bought up all the toilet paper... and tissue... and even baby wipes. They bought these things without considering the consequences to the families who couldn't find the products they needed. But this is why everyone knows that the government will hide things in order to prevent causing a panic because causing a panic is often more dangerous and deadly than the thing making people panic. When I was snorkeling in JA this other black guy was out there who couldn't swim. He had on a life jacket and a flotational device (both products of science) and still... he panicked, thinking that he was going to drown. Trying to save someone who is panicking is a more difficult task. So instead of Dr. Fauci telling everyone to run the internet and order themselves an N95 mask, he knew he could not do that. N95 masks do not grow on trees. And they weren't mass produced for a global pandemic. So if people would have bought them up like they did with toilet paper then doctors and hospitals wouldn't have been able to get them. And that would have created a much bigger disaster. Imagine being so sick you need to go to the hospital or you'll die, but no one is at the hospital because all the doctors and nurses are sick with covid.

If you understand this then you can understand why the mask strategy wasn't about stopping the virus from getting IN. There were not enough N95 masks to go around. And to set the example, even the POTUS didn't wear an N95 mask. They wore the type of mask that is much cheaper and easier to produce. Those simple cloth masks do keep SOME particles from getting IN but not viruses. The fact that you can breathe through them means air can get through but too much fabric will slow even air from getting in. This is good enough to block a lot of allergens in the air but not viruses.




Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 12/8/2022 11:55:59 AM
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https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/covid-19-coronavirus-disease-size-compairson-zika-health-air-pollution/

From the image, you can see the relative size of the covid virus in comparison to pollen. It's smaller than dust particles. And smaller than "respiratory droplets". When you sneeze or cough you're sending out these respiratory droplets that can carry the virus inside them. So the cloth masks can stop allergens from getting in and at least slow down the respiratory droplets but the force of the air moving the particles in a cough or sneeze is what propels the virus further than 6ft. Therefore, science said we needed to be at least 6ft apart AND wear masks. It wasn't one or the other. It was the combination of both.

So do cloth masks work? The answer is yes. And they always did. But people were confused about the purpose. They worked as far as slowing the virus from getting OUT. If you're breathing in air that has tiny virus particles it cannot stop that and no one ever claimed it could. Disinformation make people think that was what the government was suggesting. They never claimed cloth masks would stop the virus from getting IN. The idea was to stop an infected person from spreading it by having THEM wear a mask that would slow down the particles trying to leave their body. And since the government didn't know who was infected or going to get infected they mandated that everyone wear them. This is not like passing someone the common cold. This can kill people. And if you catch a cold you're not going to feel sick as soon as you catch it. Same with covid. It has to replicate itself inside your body to the point that it starts messing with your body's operations. That's when you feel sick. But by then it's already replicated enough to be flying around in your lungs. And that's how you breathe it out. So unless you're walking around in some kind of scuba gear or hazmat suit... you're going to be breathing out that virus. Therefore, those people were told to isolate themselves asap.

Again... none of this changes whether masks work or not. The question is what type of mask works for what scenario. People telling you they don't work are simply confused about what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to minimize some of the risks of spreading the virus, not keep you from breathing it in. These people did NO research; instead spreading rumors like the disease itself.




Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 12/8/2022 11:58:01 AM
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https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Fact: Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

So according to the facts, if your N95 mask has "holes" that are only 100 nanometers than a virus that is 120 nanometers wouldn't be able to get through even one layer. It would bounce off. And if your mask has multiple layers it can still allow oxygen through and carbon dioxide out but not the virus. This is not "scientific guess work". This is super simple like fitting a square peg through a round hole. It can only go through if the hole is big enough. No one ever looked at the cloth mask and said "this will block coronavirus".

Children are at less risk. Yes they are. If we're speaking in general, this is absolutely true. Just like it is also absolutely true that elderly people are at greater risk. There are children with pre-existing conditions and diseases that affect their immune systems. But it is less likely for a child to have this problem than an adult. And it is especially more likely that an elderly person will have more pre-existing conditions than a child as well as the prevalence of a compromised immune system. Even if you are fine and perfectly healthy, you can have it without even being aware you have it, because you are healthy, and the virus uses you like plants use bees to polinate other plants. So now you become the weapon that could kill the elders in your family. That's why masking the "healthy" was important.

Science simply studies nature. People who discount science are usually not the ones studying nature for themselves. And so what people were confused about was personal exposure and risk to their own lives vs them getting infected and spreading it to others. Those are 2 separate considerations. One type of mask for each type of situation because of the shortage of N95s.

2 weeks to flatten the curve. Yes, it could have worked. But people didn't listen. It's like the story of the final plague in the book of Exodus. The first born died. What were the Israelites told to do? Put blood upon their doors. I think the only logical assumption if you were putting blood on your door is also that you weren't running around outside that night either. You were "isolating". When the law addressed women on their periods it advocated isolation. When the law talked about leprosy it advocated isolation. Isolation is one of the oldest pieces of medical advice to prevent contamination and spread. People DID NOT LISTEN. So how would predictions and models based on people being obedient supposed to work if people were running around outside the very night the "angel of death" is doing his work? The very idea of marking meant that this angel of death wouldn't differentiate or even know who was an Israelite and who wasn't. It would simply kill anything or anyone who was infected.

And so here we are, still killing ourselves with a virus because God himself didn't tell people to wear a mask. And God himself didn't tell all the people to put blood on their doors. A human told them that but they believed God told him. And they trusted him. So they obeyed. Anyone who didn't? The story passes over them. Their fault. But here again, people don't trust the government or scientists so when they were told to wear masks and isolate they didn't do it. The consequences are theirs. Science cannot predict the social dysfunctions and political manipulation. Even God in the bible sent prophets to warn people but they didn't always listen. If they did listen you would never know what a prophet is because none of their prophecies would have come true.

1 Shot? That's generally not how immunity works. Immunity is the process of teaching the body's immune system how to handle something. Children are at least risk partially because of their immune systems. Once your immune system adapts you're no longer in danger. That doesn't mean the virus dies as soon as it touches your skin. Why would it? The immune system uses white blood cells to attack. Therefore it has to be in your blood or somewhere your blood can get to. The booster shot simply helps the immune system adapt. It isn't necessary for every immune system. But again... these things are told to masses of people, not one. So the information given is not based on any one person's health record. Some people needed 1 shot. Many needed more. Why would the government not tell those who need it that they don't just because you don't need it?

It's like being at an airport. Some of the information applies to you. Most of it doesn't. Most of it applies to other people on other flights. But the airport can't operate just by showing the information that only you need. They have to show all the information that everyone needs and its your job to know which information best applies to you. When you understand this you can see how the government saved millions of lives. That doesn't mean its good. It simply means people were doing their jobs and some jobs are more about saving lives than others. But if a doctor tells someone they have diabetes and they don't listen the doctor cannot save them from themselves.


Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 12/10/2022 1:12:34 AM
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Ipx. thanks for the thoughtful replies to contemplate on.

How do you feel about how China is still in lock down mode and handling the crises and do you trust them when they tell the world they only have about 30,000 deaths from covid.

Do you trust all the numbers of USA deaths from covid ...such as saying the cause was covid even if people had many other diseases and or causes of passing?


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 12/10/2022 2:15:32 PM
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Science failed the covid test or science created the covid pandemic? I heard the Chinese government has not been transparent regarding the Wuhan virology research laboratory and how it might have played a role in the initial
out break in Wuhan


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 12/11/2022 9:56:19 AM
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Anytime you have statistical numbers

They can be manipulated to be interpreted in any number of ways.

Respect to Jesse for having the reverence to acknowledge IPXs efforts and to contemplate the responses before knee-jerk disagreeing. Not something we see too much here anymore

Respect


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