"Serious question for you.. You have been silent on it so far, maybe you missed it within the whirlwind; but what do you have to say about Democrat Governor’s sendng COVID-19 positive cases to nursing homes?? I’ll give you a jumping point to dive into this topic.. Democrat Governor of Michigan Gretchen Whitmer, Democrat Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo, Democrat Governor of New Jersey Phil Murphy and the fact that 43% of “COVID-deaths” have been at nursing homes..."
Because I do research and don't just automatically dismiss everything you say, I read the executive order by Michigan's governor and I am able to discuss the outlined protocols.
If someone is skimming parts of the order I can understand how they could take things out of context so I'm not rushing to blame anyone. I want you to understand that so you don't think I'm jumping down your throat because I don't like you. I don't dislike you. But even if I did, I still believe in being fair and not making debates personal.
Having said that, there is specific language in the executive order that cannot be ignored. First of all, the Governors do not make the decision to move patients. What they're saying is that these facilities must follow appropriate guidelines, including that of the Department of Health and Human Services (I. 2 & 3.c - page 2). I will include a link to the original document on the Michigan.gov website so we can all follow along.
So what this means is that a long-term care facility CAN prohibit admission or readmission of a resident based on COVID-19 testing requirements or results; but ONLY in a manner that is consistent with DHHS guidance. In other words, the Governor is telling these facilities they have to listen to Trump's Federal Health Department.
What this means is that, if you are calling any such transfers a mistake then you have to take it up with the facility itself, and Trump's DHHS for setting the Federal guidelines. But the individual decisions are made by the long-term care facilities; not the Governor.
In section II it focuses on employees. These protocols are meant to limit the spread between employees and patients. If an employee catches COVID-19 from one patient because they're not using safe pratices then they're more likely to spread it to other patients. II. 2.a says that all communal and group activities must be stopped. Therefore the only people that should really be going in and out of rooms are staff. And they also have to clean and disinfect.
Section III focuses on transfers and discharges. Here, you should (if you want to deal in the truth and not be used as a pawn to spread lies and propaganda) take note of the term "medically unstable" vs "medically stable". III.3 says that a long-term care facility must create a "dedicated unit" or even a "dedicated facility". Obviously, if you have covid patients coming into contact with other covid patients they're not going to make anything worse. So the spread of covid in nursing homes is NOT from these executive orders and additional procedures and protocols, but rather from people that were not identified quickly enough as having it. Again, a person can be asymptomatic and in the beginning a lot of people were spreading it without realizing it. So it may have come from visiting family members, spread to a patient, then spread to one or more staff members that have to be in contact with several patients. Nothing in this order would suggest that they took sick people ("medically unstable") and dropped them off at nursing homes so they could infect other residents.
Now, a person who is "medically stable" does not require hospitalization. The executive order tells facilities to send "medically unstable" residents to a hospital. There is a curve at which an infected persion is most dangerous (in terms of transmission) and after you pass that hump your ability to transmit the virus lowers. And if you go to the CDC website they make this clear. Here's a link for you on that:
Because the threat isn't as high, healthcare providers do still have to use precautions with these patients, but it's not the same as someone at peak transmission who you'd want to break out the hazmat suit for.
Keep in mind, that hospitals obviously cannot keep covid patients in perpetuity. They either have to go home, or somewhere else. Well if they were living at an assisted living facility you can't expect the state to allow for elderly people to be roaming the street because now they're homeless because their facility wont take them back. No, if the government allowed that you would be talking bad about them for allowing the elderly to be treated that way.
This page outlines the precautions as far as isolation and how long to be isolated. It's basically 10-14 days. So you should still wear a mask around other people and stuff but you're not going to be a danger to society at that point. This is why the term "medically stable" is important to understand. Covid-19 is not a life sentence. But we cannot overload hospitals with active and unstable cases, creating a load they cannot manage and don't have enough resources (ventilators, etc.) to handle. Again... it is the TRANSMISSION of covid-19 that makes it so dangerous. But that doesn't mean that once someone has it you should never see them again. No. You may think I'm taking it too far but in reality I'm very balanced. I even had a barbeque this past Sunday with around 20 people. But you have to be smart about it. And you have to be smart about the information you consume about it. The credibility of sources does matter. The context of words, do matter. And if you felt irritated when you thought something YOU said was taken out of context, imagine how irritating it is when someone's words or orders, designed to protect people, are taken so out of context that people are blaming them for killing people!
Take a look at III. 5. It says that once the patient is medically stable AND eligible for discharge IN THE JUDGMENT of the resident's MEDICAL PROVIDERS (I'm not yelling at you. I'm just trying to add emphasis), a hospital must discharge the resident according to the following protocol. So This alone establishes that there is NO protocol that exists, where a governor is circumventing the medical opinion or expertise of that resident's medical providers. So no... it was NEVER the governor's decision but is always the decision of their own medical providers to move them. This invalidates any claims you can make about the involvement of these governors in the transfer of patients. Do you understand that? And it proves... that if you did not read this for yourself and got it wrong on your own, it proves that SOMEONE (not you) is using you to spread false, inaccurate, misinformation, or "fake news". And if you don't like "fake news" and if you don't like being a tool for people spreading lies, then I implore you to stop allowing yourself to be used this way. I don't know if you are as smart as me. Maybe you're smarter. Who knows? I don't know you like that. But whatever intelligence you have, by your own estimation, you should trust yourself and your critical thinking, to critically look at what you read and research it as if I was the one saying it. Do that, and you should be fine. If you don't like me, that's okay. But if you do, use that same attitude to distrust the information you're getting from whoever your sources of information are. Don't tell me the media is lying and accuse me of carrying water for them and believing everything they say when I can so easily show everyone, and hopefully you are intelligent and bright enough to have seen it too, that your information was simply and clearly wrong.
And that's not me trying to embarrass you. I really have no interest in that. I'm not trying to show that YOU are wrong. I'm trying to show that your INFORMATION is wrong. It's not personal. My desire is to protect my people, and whoever is "my neighbor", from information that is dangerous and destructive to their well being. What if bad information was being fed, on purpose, to minority communities so that WE can go out there and get sick and spread it all around our communities, while those telling us these lies are safely isolated? I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying what if it is? Are you comfortable being a tool in someone's plan to kill us? Serious non-rhetorical question for you.