jahcub: "By watering the root, the whole tree is sustained."
again... Why does God NEED to be "watered"???
(an almighty all powerful God shouldn't "NEED" anything from anyone)
what you describe is a transaction. If a tree is outside you typically don't need to water it because the water cycle will cause rain and dew and as well, the root systems of trees typically find moisture underground. So I've never seen a tree that need water from a human. I would imagine that I would feel sorry for such a tree. Wouldn't you?
jahcub: If JAH is not what we worship and serve, then something else will take JAH's place; for we are made to serve, it is our true nature, it is our higher nature, as Christ also comes to serve.
You seem to be suggesting that we were created to be servants. I disagree with this. If this were the case wouldn't be most happy and fulfilled by being slaves? I doubt anyone would volunteer to be my slave. If you worked for me you would expect pay. Thus your service is transactional based on you getting something in return for your service. Some people even expect a tip.
If we were created to serve then I would have a problem with that. Because what does that say about a creator who made us with the motive and intent to be his servants? And without pay so.... slaves? What does this say about a creator who would create such beings for such a self-motivated purpose?
Jahcub:If InI don't serve JAH, then InI will end up serving Babylon and worshiping and serving Nimrod (man), building up their Tower of Babel, again and again...
Just for kicks... let's say humans work together to build a skyscraper. What's wrong with that? Was it you that said humans have a choice when it comes to worship? So what if we choose to worship a man? HIM was a man. HIM actually has a lot in common to the honorifics and respect paid to Nimrod. Are you simply opposed to Nimrod because God in the bible seems opposed to Nimrod? What if you didn't know God's position on Nimrod because you didn't have the benefit of a bible? How would you know it was wrong to serve Nimrod if you recognized him as your king? Let's also know and completely understand that in Israel Kings (like David) were absolutely worshiped. The actual hebrew word is the same when it comes to the "worship" given to both God and the king. I can provide proof of this if you need it.
But again... just for kicks... let's say tower of Bav'el was a monument to false gods. Who cares? Why care about that? What would have happened if completed? Would magical, previously nonexistant gods, be born? Would gods, who YHWH said did not exist, suddenly burst forth onto the scene? According to the bible nothing like this would have happened because there is only one God. And yet, their choice to worship anything else was forcefully taken away if you believe the story. At the same time, what prophet or missionary was sent to Babylon? What warning did they have? Who gave them access to the truth? Who was it that told them who the real God was and why didn't God simply talk to Nimrod? Part of critical thinking, whether you accept the story as is or not, is considering more than just that one angle where we fall under the assumption that what happened was good and necessary.
Let's say I make Google my god. I can ask Google a question right now and get an answer. Can you? The God of the bible sounds more like a terrorist. He strikes the tower just like the 911 Hijackers, but without a plane. Of course, you'll probably think I'm wrong for saying this, perhaps even daring to say it, but I say it because I'm not afraid of him. I don't live in "terror" of him. We are to believe that as a result of the people CHOOSING to worship something else under the rule of a mighty leader, that nothing NATURALLY bad was going to happen and therefore God had to cause something supernatural to happen.
Did he tell them they were wrong? Or did he confuse their languages, making it harder to preach to them in the future and making sure that their beliefs were spread around the world? Again... critical thinking. The result of this divine intervention didn't cause ANY of them to worship the God who had basically just attacked them. Rather it simply isolated them with their beliefs and made it difficult for them to connect with each other which would be the basis of many future conflicts. Serving any other god, because it doesn't have the power to, would be less destructive to humanity than a god that gets jealous and kills millions of people who don't know him or choose to be his slaves.
Making a car your god might be stupid. But ultimately, safer than an immortal deity with axes to grind. And at least you would be getting the benefit of actually driving that car and it providing you with transportation. I'd ask if God ever gave you a ride anywhere but people have a tendency to give God credit for anything good that ever happens to them. So God helped them get the car. God keeps them safe while driving the car (except when you get into an accident). But by this logic God helped Nimrod get into the position to have so many people worship him. Had God known in advance maybe he shouldn't have done that? Or maybe he should have either recruited Nimrod at a young age or took him out much like many would do if they knew a child was going to grow up to be Hitler. So the choice to intervene in one place and not others is questionable to me.
jahcub: And they will serve these things over JAH the Life Giver, JAH who sustains InI
If God sustains you then why on earth would you need to eat or sleep? Seems like such a waste of time and money if you are actually animated by a supernatural power rather than something natural and scientific in nature. Where as Jah, for me, is not a person, but rather energy itself, of which all matter consists of. It is energy that gives life because it is energy that is life. And therefore energy can take on any and every form, including a car, food, sex, celebrities, money, and Google. Without energy you have nothing. With energy you have everything because there is nothing that isn't some form of energy.
Your version of God is according to the bible, and it is a magical being that created nature with magic. My version of God simply BECAME nature. While magic is natural and is in want for explanation, energy is governed by physics and explains itself through the language of math and science as well as others. But because I don't view God as a person, it isn't a projection of human ego. It simply becomes human and includes human ego because we are manifestations of that same energy, constantly becoming everything and is truly eternal because science says that energy is never destroyed, only changes forms. And so this is why my version of God isn't offended by science (nor can be offended by anything) or has to rely on human story tellers to cause people to worship it.
Who doesn't look outside, at the sky, the mountains, the trees, the beach, and isn't humbled and amazed? And its not because this reaction is commanded. This reaction is simply a natural response to the greatness that we see. No prophets, no priests, no angels, no missionaries, no books, none of that is needed for people to give reverence to what their own eyes can see. SEE. Not imagine is there, watching everything you do and waiting to judge you someday. Or someone you're waiting for, to do something for you, save you from other humans and yourself, or any of that. It is simply self-evident.
There are no theological debates over the color of the sky. There is no tree that ever told one nation to go to war against another. Energy just is. And it cannot be manipulated by worship or prayers to intervene because it doesn't need us. Especially because it IS (also) us. It is the sun AND the moon. It is the slave and the master. It is the volcano and the iceberg. It is everything.
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