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Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/22/2019 3:48:55 PM

Jahcub: I am speaking of having both old and new testaments within the Bible as I had said. I never said any said any Bible was not full and complete. However, it should be obvious that the Bible with the most books is more full and complete.

sorry, but more is not always better. There are many books considered to be pseudepigrapha

"spurious or pseudonymous writings, especially Jewish writings ascribed to various biblical patriarchs and prophets but composed within approximately 200 years of the birth of Jesus Christ."

Let's be real. We really don't know who the actual authors of the bible are when it comes to what is considered to be the best collection. On the best day we know that people ascribed writings to other people and that a lot of different scribes were involved during the copy process. These books aren't "biblical" just because they were written sort of in the same time period, we think. I would love to write a Star Wars novel but just because I wrote it doesn't mean it would ever be considered canon. Hell, I was upset when Disney bought the Star Wars license because they basically said anything we don't specifically sanction is not officially part of the story. The bible is much the same way. There is no "official" bible because God never said "okay, I want this book, and this book, and this one..." etc. So religions use their institutions and these human voices are the ones who make these decisions. But these decisions should be, at the very least, made based on authenticity. The problem is that whenever something becomes an interesting subject to develop myths and legends, someone out there somewhere is going to write it. And its a way for other people to get their own ideas out there. That doesn't mean their ideas aren't good. The Gospel of Thomas, for example, is good and has some things that challenge the institution of religion. Daniel and Revelation were both thought to be removed because of the scary imagery. These are entirely human decisions being made; about a book that HUMANS, not God, call holy.

"Apocrypha are works, usually written, of unknown authorship or of doubtful origin. Biblical apocrypha are a set of texts included in the Latin Vulgate and Septuagint but not in the Hebrew Bible. While Catholic tradition considers some of these texts to be deuterocanonical, Protestants consider them apocryphal."

We already have ideas inserted into the accepted canon (like the Johanine Comma). You simply cannot trust everything you read as having the same level of authenticity or truth.

Messenger: Jahcub Onelove Sent: 10/22/2019 5:44:09 PM

I am familiar with the history of the Septuagint. The Septuagint was written earlier, however it does not contain the New testament and the only copy of it dates after the Ethiopian Bible was written.

These are artifacts. The Ethiopian Bible, as an artifact that is known to exist today, is the oldest Bible. It is even older than the copy of Septuagint artifact, that archeologist know of.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 10/23/2019 1:09:18 AM

This thread isn't just about whether Ethiopia has the oldest Bible as you also made the following claims in your original post:

The Bible takes place in Africa
The stories and teachings are African
It was written by Africans
The Bible is African

I mentioned the councils and people involved in selecting the Biblical canons to show how Ethiopia ended up with a Bible and where they drew their resources or influences.... And it was not a process indigenous to Africa... At all.

The Bible is of mixed heritage. And the ethnicities of its main authors are unknown.

Re: the septuagint I am also aware of the the fact it does not include a NT as it was written before christ lol which is why I mentioned it With the antithesis believed to be the first proto - NT.

Examples of complete sets in terms of NT + OT together would be the Codex Sinaiticus or Codex Vaticanus...

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 10/23/2019 1:11:20 AM


Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 10/23/2019 8:43:20 PM

Give thanks brothah Garveys for your unapologetic Afrikanity! It is music to our ears!

To those who would argue the origins of the bible, especially those of Afrikan descend, I ask you this:

Long before what we know of as the bible, where did the authors get the ORIGIN of the biblical characters and stories from?

Where was Moses schooled? Where did he learn his wisdom?

Who is the prototype of the "Christ" thousands of years before the bible?

Are the RACIST myths (curse of Ham) and instructions to obey masters (and justifying slavery) written by Afrikans?

Wouldn't it behoove ones and ones to do a proper chronology of the bible, which UNEQUIVOCALLY leads you to Kush/Kemet?

There, you will not only find "one of the oldest VERSIONS"......but THE oldest one!


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 10/24/2019 3:23:07 AM

That's an angle I haven't used in this thread

So we are here arguing about the oldest version of....

A tertiary copy
Of a secondary copy
Of primary plagiarism
Of Ancient African Nile Valley mythology

If that's how you want to argue the bible being an African book then ok.

Skip the many available direct African spiritual ideologies and go for the triple copied Chinese whispers European hand in the cookie jar version.

Lol a joke still,

Bless up RastafariGoddess
Bless up Jahcub Kingman

Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 10/24/2019 12:55:49 PM

LOL! Exactly!! Why argue over third rate knowledge and (per)VERSIONS of the ORIginal?

That's like arguing over who gets to drink from swamp water while standing in fresh running river water....Makes no sense at all.

Not to mention that the western world teaches to look for "God" OUTSIDE of one self rather than WITHIN, as our ancients taught.

Messenger: Jahcub Onelove Sent: 10/24/2019 5:13:29 PM

Bless up GARVEYS AFRICA, You made me laugh with your "Skip the many available direct African spiritual ideologies and go for the triple copied Chinese whispers European hand in the cookie jar version."

You and RastaGoddess say the Bible is plagiarism. Yet the Bible is full of original and historical stories dealing with the people and the trod with the Most High JAH.

Most of the New Testament is the writings and letters of Paul and other early followers of Christ.

And the Old Testament has other teachings and stories of historical people and of the Israelites history; more than their time spent in Egypt.

The Israelites are African, their stories are naturally going to be African. Israel is in Africa.

The Bible teaches to look inside also. The Western world does not teach it so much, it is in the Bible though and Eastern Christianity teaches to look within.

Messenger: Jahcub Onelove Sent: 10/29/2019 9:28:37 PM


The Africans Who Wrote the Bible
Ancient Secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told
Author: Nana Banchie Darkwah (2000)

NOTE: The Bible mentions dreadlocks 7 times in the Old Testament. The Books are Numbers 6: 5; Judges 16: 13; Judges 16: 19; Ezekiel 44: 20; Leviticus 21: 5; I Samuel 1: ll, and
II Samuel 14: 26. It is apparent that Cecil B. DeMille never did his research or revised history.
The earliest biblical manuscripts found on the Nile River were written on Nile River Papyrus Plants found in Ethiopia and Egypt. Some of the manuscripts were written on animal skin. In Byblos (African Colony), "Gebal" had a bookmaking company that was papyrus based.

Judaism is the African way of life. Judaism was the religion developed in Africa by African people. It was adopted and adapted in a similar fashion to the Yoruba Orisha worship (Vodoun, Santeria, Lacumi, Condomble, etc) and is still being co-opted and altered by non-Africans today. To speak of an African’s influence on Judaism is like speaking of an African’s influence on Orisha Worship. It is not an African influence. It is still African and represents an African way of life.

Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text to prove his research. He was still challenged by "Europe" and his findings were labeled "untrue" by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal "King James" Version of the Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world.

The word Israel itself is an Akan word (Ghana). Darkwah points to the story of Jacob in Genesis 32:24-29, where the angel renames Jacob calling him Asrae or the European version, Israel. Asrae, Darkwah declares, is not the name of a nation, but instead means "the first one who visited."

According to Darkwah, if you as a Christian question the Bible, you were led by your pastor to believe that you were blaspheming God. Here there is a faith versus reasoning quarrel. Now he has been able to reason into faith. Originally, he just had faith. But, as he learned more, he began to reason himself into faith.

It is almost impossible to understand the significance of many Old Testament events and themes apart from the geographical, cultural, and historical situation that existed during the Old Testament times. First, the name “Africa” was given to the Continent by Romans. Africa was also called Kemet, Libya, Ortegia, Corphye, Egypt, Ethiopia and/or Sedan, Olympia, Hesperia, Oceania, and Ta-Merry. The ancient name for Africa was “Akebu-Lan” (mother of mankind) or “Garden of Eden.” This name was used by the Moors, Nubians, Numidians, Khart-Hadddans (Carthaginians), and Ethiopians. Genesis 10:6-20 describes the descendants of Ham as being in North Africa, Central Africa and in parts of southern Asia. Psalm 105:23 mentions the "Land of Ham" in Egypt, and Psalm 78:51 connect the "tents of Ham" with Egypt. In Genesis 10, Nimrod, son of Cush (whose name means "black"), founded a civilization in Mesopotamia. In Genesis 11, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a land whose earliest inhabitants included blacks.

Ethiopia and Egypt are mentioned more than any other countries in the Bible. Ethiopia is known in the Bible as Cush. Egypt is known as Mizraim. Mizraim and Cush are two sons of Ham. Mizraim is translated--Egypt and Cush Ethiopia. Many readers of this website have contacted me to argue that Egypt is a land of White people. They write...I know your view is common among African American studies-types, but it doesn't seem to be borne out by historical record. The pharaohs and their priests were certainly not Black. Here goes faith vs. reasoning again. The Romans didn't get to Egypt until 300 BC. We are talking 6000 years before that. There weren't any white people present before the Rome invasion. The original Christianity of Egypt was established by the apostle Mark in AD 42 in Ethiopia (Coptic Church--Coptic Orthodox Christianity). We have been told Christianity came from Rome. Does everything come from Europe? That is what we have led to believe.

LAND OF THE BLACKS--LAND OF THE BIBLE: Ancient Egypt was known indigenously as Kemet (Land of the Blacks). Ancient Egyptians have pinpointed their own ancestral origins to Mount Rwenzori Range in the east African cradle, otherwise known as "Mountains of the Moon." Some accounts state Egyptian civilization came out of Ethiopia, which as a term was used to designate the land south of Egypt (the Upper Nile Valley), or alternatively used to refer to the entire African continent. Chronologically, Egypt’s southern neighbor Nubia, which had its own distinct civilization, was the Nile Valley predecessor.

Jews, believe they are God’s Chosen People because of a theological idea the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (known in Biblical times as Israelites, later known as Jews) are the chosen people. It comes from the book of Genesis in which God chooses Abraham and his descendants for a unique covenant. The covenant involved certain obligations on the part of the people and promised certain things on the part of God. European Jews believe this covenant is still in effect today—Jews are still "chosen people." It may also answer the question of why the Jews have been classified White, even with their kinky-bushy hair, swarthy skin, and broadened noses.

Americans and Europeans assume that the Bible is about them, but the Bible is about my ancient ancestors and me. Modern-day Jews see the Bible as a record of their history because the King James Bible is centered on the history of Israel.

The Jewish people of Europe and America still carry African Tribal names. They carry the names of their ancestors who were Africans.

Statistically, the Lemba people from Southeast Africa are more Jewish than European Jews. In a Lemba Clan known as the Buba Clan, 53 percent of the males carry the unique DNA signature of Jewish priests. Males form the Lemba Tribe carry a higher incidence of the Jewish priestly DNA signature than the European and American Jewish population.

The early Roman Catholic Church portrayed Jesus and his mother in the original Black images of the Jewish people at that time--The Black Madonna. What African tribe were they from?

The time period of the early Catholic Church is closer to the Jews leaving Africa and going to Europe than the Renaissance Painters who painted Jesus White.

What Europe did not count on was that Africans would still know their past.

Darkwah states that ancient Egypt was geographically in Africa and that so-called European experts do not know the Ancient Egyptian story because they are not familiar with African tribal names. They do not have the linguistic and cultural backgrounds to identify Egyptian names and have simply transposed the African names of people and places in Ancient Egyptian history into European languages to make it possible for them to claim expertise. Darkwah traces the ancient past of African tribes from the Middle East through Ancient Egypt to inner Africa. He reveals the African tribe that historians gave the fictitious names the Sumerians, Akkadians, and the African Tribes that were the Ancient Egyptians.

Africans are the indigenous Native Hebrews (Jews). The greatest secret of Africa has never been told, and Christian Europe has been seeking to conceal for the past two thousand years is the African origin of the concepts, doctrines, sacramental practices of religion, and the documents that became the foundations of Christianity in Europe. Did you know that the names of Abraham, Isaac, Esau, and Jacob were all derived from African tribal words and names? Did you know that the earliest “Hebrew” name for God, Adonai, was derived from an African tribal word? Did you know that another name of God, Yahweh, was derived from an African tribal God? ... Did you know that the names of the authors of the Old Testament are not “Hebrew” or “Jewish” names, but transposed African tribal names? Christian Europe has never known these because it has never known the African linguistic and cultural side of the biblical story.

The indigenous African tribal name of the most popular Ancient Egyptian king the west was Tutu Ankoma—not Tutankhamun. Not only do we know the indigenous African tribal name of this Ancient Egyptian king, but we also know where the modern dynasty of his ancient dynasty is today. We know in Africa that the Ancient Egyptian king who built the middle pyramid in Giza was called Akufu and not Khufu as the experts have told us. We also know that his two sons completed the procession of pyramids and placed a lion in the front of the procession. These sons were Dade Afre and not Djedefra as the experts transposed this name; and his brother was Ochere Afre and not Chephren as the experts have told us.

The modern dynasty of these ancient kings is the Akuapem Dynasty that can be found today in the Eastern Region of Ghana. Conservatives, liberals, and all in between can go to check these people out and verify the royal names among these people.

The book is about the Africans who wrote the Bible as well as Ancient Egypt. It is the untold story of the African tribes that were the Ancient Egyptians. It is the untold story of the people from these African tribes that left Ancient Egypt for it to become the biblical Exodus. It is about the untold story of these people that later went to Europe to become the Jews and Hebrews. It is about untold story of the Africans who actually wrote the documents of the Bible before Afrim (Jewish) scholars translated these documents for the Greeks in Ancient Egypt and claimed that their people in Israel wrote those documents.

We in Africa even know the indigenous African tribal name of the people of the Exodus before they went to Europe to become the Jews and Hebrews. A review of a DNA study of Jewish people African tribes discovered one of the African tribes from which some of the people of the Exodus originated. Check it out in the New York Times of May 9, 1999. What does this prove? It proves the Ancient Egyptian and biblical stories were all Black people’s stories.

The Ancient Egyptians were Black people and their modern descendants are alive and well in Africa. Real evidence of the modern descendants of the Ancient Egyptians in the tribes of Africa and the language and culture these people left behind in Ancient Egypt is the most powerful evidence there is about the Black racial origin of the Ancient Egyptians.

In the 1960's and 1970's, there were Jewish scholars who were secretly traveling around Africa researching African Tribes to find out from which tribe they belonged. They studied the Akan Religion of the Asante people to find out the similarities between Judaism and Christianity. The word Israel was derived from an African Tribal meaning. Most "Jewish" people still carry their African Tribal names of origin.

The Sinai Peninsula is clearly in Africa and is where the Israelites claim to receive their oral and written law. Geologically speaking all of the adjacent Arabian Peninsula clear up to Syria is part of the African continent. The Great Rift Valley extends from Mozambique to Syria. The continental drift of tectonics shows the Arabian plate breaking off from the continent and colliding into the Asian plate to create the mountain ranges of Turkey and Armenia (University of Moscow).

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 11/13/2019 3:48:28 AM

....... and the sceptre shall never depart from Judah.

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