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Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/15/2019 1:53:44 PM

hemp:Something other than Sandy hook please Hillary. Thats literally all you 'have'

Did you watch the video? That's your problem. You care too much who made the video as if the main thing we're taking from it is ANYTHING said by anyone from CNN.


The main thing is what JONES said himself!

But you, Joe shmo private citizen, are NOT going to get Alex Jones to admit anything like what he just did ON CAMERA (or off).

Nor are you going to get access to depositions and things where he has had to tell the truth or recant for a court case.

So I have to ask you, what is it that you expect? And if whoever interviewed Alex Jones is such a problem and has no credibility then why did your hero Alex Jones submit to the interview??

Because he obviously knows they are credible journalists and he is NOT. But, like Trump, if you're corrupt and a liar, you're going to attack the media so that when they catch you, you can just call it fake news.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/15/2019 1:59:33 PM

Alex Jones: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/15/2019 2:08:13 PM

author: Bruce Y. LeeSenior Contributor
I am a writer, journalist, professor, systems modeler, computational and digital health expert, avocado-eater, and entrepreneur, not always in that order.

Alex Jones' Top 10 Health Claims And Why They Are Wrong

10. The government is employing weather weapons

Have you ever seen the character Storm, played by Halle Berry on the X-Men movies, who can manipulate the weather? Well, apparently, according to Jones' InfoWars, the government may be a bit like Halle Berry. Infowars didn't actually say that the government is Halle Berry but it did say that the government and the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) have been using electromagnetic waves to manipulate the weather and generate weather phenomena like Hurricane Sandy. Why on Earth would the government create a devastating hurricane? As the theory goes, they wanted to kill people and test out the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) concentration camps, because why wouldn't an underfunded and understaffed federal relief organization be secretly organizing concentration camps.

Why this claim is ridiculous: The government is not Halle Berry. The weather is not like a ceiling fan. The weather is extremely complex and difficult to control. Science has not yet advanced to the degree that creating a real hurricane that is too much larger than your toilet is possible. If the government could somehow control the weather, wouldn't you think that Washington, DC, would have nicer weather year round?

On a side note, Jones' Infowars online store sells lots of "outdoor survival gear," "survival accessories", and "emergency survival foods." Hmmm.

9. The government is using chemicals to turn people and frogs gay.

What do frogs and people have in common besides occasionally wearing top hats? As Jones has claimed, both are supposedly the victims of so-called "estrogen mimickers" being placed in juice boxes, water bottles, and tap water to "feminize" people. Writing for Salon, Alex Seitz-Wald quoted Jones as saying, "The reason there are so many gay people now is because it's a chemical warfare operation. I have the government documents where they said they're going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so people don't have children." Jones has described tap water as a "gay bomb" and has said "I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water that TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! Do you understand that? I'm sick of being social engineered, it's not funny!"

Why this claim is ridiculous: Indeed, socially engineering Jones would not be funny and probably would not be the best use of limited government resources. I don't know what government documents Jones is referring to, but drinking lots of tap or bottled water may make you pee but it will not "turn you gay." Not that there is anything wrong with that.

And why exactly did Jones mention "gay frogs"? Perhaps Jones was referring to a study from the University of California, Berkeley, which suggested that exposure to atrazine, a widely used pesticide, may cause gender-switching among frogs. But then he would be misinterpreting the results of that study. Gender switching is not the same as sexual preference. Exposing frogs to atrazine is not the same as giving them drinking water. And frogs usually don't drink juice boxes.

Oh, and by the way, Jones' Infowars site is selling water filtration devices.

8. The fluoride in drinking water is making people dumb.

Jones has stated, "I grew up in Dallas, Texas, drinking sodium fluoridated water. All the scientific studies show my IQ has been reduced by at least 20 points."

Why this claim is ridiculous: OK, if you enter "Alex Jones" and "IQ" into a PubMed search you get the following: "Search results, Items: 0." This doesn't necessarily mean that Jones' IQ is zero but it does suggest that no scientific studies have been done specifically on his IQ. Furthermore, in a Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) summarized numerous studies that have shown the benefits (preventing cavities) and safety of putting fluoride in community drinking water. This still leaves open the possibility that Jones' IQ has gone down by 20 points but there's no real evidence that fluoride is the culprit.

Did I mention that Jones sells water filtration devices?

7. The life-ruining Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) Vaccine is being pushed on young women around the world.

Jones' Infowars site claims that the HPV vaccine has been causing paralysis and seizures among little girls all around the world. The site doesn't offer specific numbers or scientific studies but presents a story of a 12-year-old girl, whose family claims that "she has suffered an alleged reaction to the controversial HPV vaccine."

Why this claim is ridiculous: Anecdotes are not scientific studies. And why exactly would public health officials and the medical community knowingly push a "life-ruining" vaccine? As I have written previously for Forbes, the HPV vaccine has real benefits, such as preventing cervical cancer which can result from HPV infection. Of course, nothing is 100% safe. As the CDC reports, HPV vaccination can have side effects, but most are relatively mild and temporary such pain, redness, or swelling in the injection area, fever, headache, nausea, or muscle pain. Only 6% of all reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following administration of the HPV vaccine were considered "serious."

Moreover, without the HPV vaccine, what specifically is going to prevent HPV infections? The supplements that Jones' Infowars is selling?

6. Bill Gates' philanthropic work is part of a mass eugenics effort.

Jones has called billionaire philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder Gates a "modern-day Stalin," blasting his "continued efforts to sterilize and destroy the third world through vaccinations and his attempts to cull the world population." As Eric Killelea wrote for Rolling Stone, Jones has claimed that the company IBM, with Gates as just a “front”, is actually a eugenics trust that has “the expressed mission of creating a world-wide race-based system and funded Adolf Hitler." Wow, wonder what that news would do to IBM's stock price. Eugenics is pronounced like "you" and "genics" and is the controlled selective breeding of the human population.

Why this claim is ridiculous: So Jones is attacking a billionaire who is actually encouraging and supporting real science and has been using his wealth and platform for good? Meanwhile, Jones calls nerds "one of the most dangerous groups in this country" and uses his platform to wear tin foil on his head and sell "nutriceuticals". Many real scientists whom I know have received funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to conduct independent research. (I have as well.) To date, I have not yet met a real scientist who has received an Infowars grant. Where exactly is the evidence that vaccination programs are being used to sterilize people and are part of a eugenics program? If Gates were indeed trying to run a eugenics program, why would his Foundation be trying to prevent and control infectious diseases rather than letting them run amok?

Incidentally, Infowars is selling a LifeStraw that supposedly can remove bacteria and protozoa.

5. The government created the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) epidemic.

An article on the Infowars site claims that HIV was manufactured by the government to target gay men for a eugenics experiment.

Why this claim is ridiculous: This is not the movie Resident Evil. And why would the government be trying to at the same time make people gay with the drinking water and then wiping people who are gay out with a manufactured virus? This would be like running the air conditioner and the heater at the same time. If you are going to advance conspiracy theories, please make sure they sync together.

Nevertheless, both conspiracy theories kind of sync with the Infowars claim that "there's a war on for your body," which accompanies advertisements for its supplements.

4. Government climate change data is fabricated.

This made the 4th spot because the climate change denial has been such a big part of the national discussion over the past year. An Infowars piece entitled "Exposed: Government Climate Change Data 100% Fabricated By NOAA" questioned the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA's) finding that there has been a 1.5 F increase in global temperatures since the 1800’s.

Why this claim is ridiculous: Again, when you are advancing conspiracy theories, make sure that they sync with each other. Number 4 doesn't quite mesh with number 10. If the government has figured out a way to control the weather, why couldn't pollution and chemicals from companies also cause climate change? Humans can either affect the weather and climate or not. Please choose.

3. Vaccines cause autism and this has been covered up by the government, and the pharmaceutical industry.

This one ranked even higher because vaccine refusal rates have been increasing and measles outbreaks have been occurring, suggesting that people are listening to anti-vaccination bluster. Jones hosted on his show Andrew Wakefield, the U.K. doctor who has continued to push theories about vaccines causing autism. Jones called Wakefield "admirable", "a true trailblazer", "a hero" and a"pioneer." Jones also claimed that Wakefield has been vindicated. Infowars has also suggested that the children's show Sesame Street introduced Julia, an autistic muppet, in an attempt to normalize vaccine-caused autism, as reported by Julia Belluz writing for Vox. Oh, those agenda-driven muppets. Who knows what Oscar the Grouch is trying to sell you?

Why this claim is ridiculous: Maybe you admire Wakefield for dating a supermodel but his original research and theories have long been discredited and a BMJ publication entitled "Wakefield admits fabricating events when he took children’s blood samples" mentioned that Wakefield had "extensive financial ties to lawyers and families who were pursuing the manufacturers of the vaccine in the courts and that most of his research participants were litigants." Here John Oliver describes how Wakefield's claimed link between the measles vaccine and autism has been repeatedly debunked:

2. The Sandy Hook shooting was staged to promote gun control.

This made number 2 because it is utter poop. As this NBC News segment shows, Jones caused quite a stir and prompted lawsuits when he claimed that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that left 28 people and 2 injured was a hoax:

Why this claim is ridiculous: Yes, this is exactly what you want to hear after your child, your classmate, or your friend has been shot and killed. Someone sitting in the comfort of a studio, wearing a Rolex watch, and claiming that the blood and the tears were all part of a massive hoax. Mass shootings and gun violence are real problems that require real solutions.

Did I mention that Infowars is selling a bunch of protective, survival, and disaster preparedness products?

1. Many health claims about the supplements and health products that Alex Jones is selling.

As mentioned previously, Jones and his Infowars website sells "health" products, lots of them. Examples include the "all new and advanced Super Male Vitality formula," just in case you are trying to dodge those "gay bombs" and the "Super Female Vitality formula," just in case you are female and have a credit card. You may have heard that there is no silver bullet for anything, but how about the Infowars Life Silver Bullet Colloidal Silver, which the website urges you to add "to your preparedness supply or kitchen cabinet today and support the operation while looking out for your health -- because there's a war on for your body"? Or what about Prostaguard, which includes a " Powerful Blend of Antioxidants & Plant Based Nutrients. All Hand Selected!," as opposed to feet selected? Then there is the Real Red Pill, which I guess is really red and supposedly helps "support the heart, support the brain, and support healthy aging." The website claims that "over one million peer reviewed scientific articles have been published about the ingredients used in this formula," which may be true if one of the ingredients is water or air. You're also in luck if you are looking for something to wipe the area between your genitals and your anus. That would be the Combat One Tactical Bath, because you've got to be tactical and it can be combat cleaning there.

Keep in mind that many of the products have the following disclaimer: "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease." The site's standard "Supplement & Food Product Disclaimer" states that "it is important to do your own research and consult with a qualified healthcare provider or doctor to decide what is best for you. We also know that everyone's bodies are different, and it is essential to consult with a qualified health care professional before taking products offered on this website." So in other words, don't say that we didn't warn you that this product may do nothing.

Oh, and the disclaimer concludes by saying "Infowars Life is not held responsible for the irresponsible use of this product." Wonder if "irresponsible use of this product" includes buying it and using it.

Why these claims are ridiculous: Read the fine print. The disclaimer, "this product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease" says it all. Whenever someone tries to criticize real scientific and medical principles and efforts, follow the money. Check what the person is actually trying to sell. See if you can you draw a link between each of Jones' claims 10 through 2 with a product that Infowars is selling.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/15/2019 2:46:16 PM

I honestly forgot how funny the John Oliver segment was until I watched it again just now. Hilarious.

But he backs up what I said previously about Alex Jones being a good salesman. Jones plays the victim, telling you that his whole fight (against Tyranny(tm)) is in trouble unless his audience gives him money or supports him by buying his products. The truth is, there is no fight. And he doesn't need the money. His show makes money from the number of viewers/listeners he has. If advertisers wont support it's only because they don't want to be associated. However, I do believe he could get more advertisers who don't care. However, he's found that he's able to make more money by selling his own branded products. So while you're coming there to hear conspiracy theories, he's also selling products and making (according to wikipedia) $20 million per year. Infowars is a thriving business. But it's thriving because he has a whole bunch of suckers who believe he's credible and he extends his credibility to others who come on his show to help sell products. John Oliver literally destroyed the credibility of Alex Jones "doctor" guy by exposing the fact that he was lying about his credentials. So how do you reconcile this with the notion that Alex Jones is a trustworthy source of information? When he says that he might have to sell his house to keep the show going, do you believe him? Or are you just another sucker who will fall for anything? Alex Jones doesn't care about you. Alex Jones is lying to you. Alex Jones is highly motivated to lie to you because Alex Jones makes MILLIONS of dollars by lying to you.

And then he says he dresses like that and wears a rolex because he wants to symbolize middle class success and humanity having prosperity when he's not even middle class. Financially speaking, he's one of the elite. Just like Trump. And Trump is such a con man that on the campaign trail he trashed the elite and then after he won he told you that he was elite.

The sad truth, and I do mean sad, rich people constantly get over on poor and middle class people who desire a better life. They love it when you don't respect journalistic integrity and why actual journalism is so important. They count on you not to really even know what it is or why people go to school for it. They want you to think all news is basically of equal value so that if they trash a company like CNN, you'll think that every person working for CNN is purposefully putting out inaccurate information. This would require an impossible conspiracy; thousands of people who all are criminal... a whole profession of people who are willing to deceive family and friends by reporting lies.

This is what people like Trump and Jones would have you believe; that people who don't even work at CNN yet... people who are still idealistic and in college... are corrupt liars enough, that when they get hired by CNN they will start lying for CNN and will never leak the truth about the whole thing. Thousands of people... their friends and family... and people who are still in school and have yet to be hired... we're supposed to believe that ALL of these people are in on the conspiracy? That's positively moronic.

Conspiracies theories that involve too many people with no compartmentalization that isolates the people at the bottom from the truth at the top, are comically illogical. Even groups with secrets like Scientology are constantly getting exposed because someone always leaks. Secret societies at least use their selection process to build loyalty. A news organization does no such thing. Nasa... does no such thing. So it is simply "unwise" to put it mildly, to expect these organizations to be able to keep secrets better that real secret societies. But again... there's not a whole lot to say about real secret societies and people like Jones need new things to talk about to fill that time slot and keep selling products. So he has to lie to give people enough content to keep coming back for. Anyone who has above average intelligence will see through people like Alex Jones and stop taking them seriously as sources of information. If you don't know who to trust, stop judging people by labels. Because you're always going to find someone with a label that you don't like or who is doing something bad. So there might be a few bad apples out of thousands of employees at any company. But in this case Alex Jones IS the bad apple.

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 10/15/2019 2:57:40 PM

Literally everything you just listed is absolutely true.

Flouride califies the pineal gland and causes reduced IQ.

Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

Vaccines show in their inserts that they can cause neurological disorders including autism.

Thimerosol-containing vaccines are associated with autism prevalence and measles-containing vaccines are associated with serious neurological disorders.

The chemical artazine has been proven to change the sex organs in frogs.

Berkeley research shows pesticide atrazine changes sex organs in frogs

HIV was created in a lab.

HIV ‘Created by Scientist’ for Biological Warfare, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Says
Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai -- who on Friday became the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize -- on Saturday repeated her previous claims that HIV was "created by a scientist for biological warfare,"

Bill Gates is very much a eugenicist

Bill Gates: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis

It has been admitted that weather changing technologies exist.

China Is Launching Weather-Control Machines Across An Area The Size Of Alaska


CIA director discusses geoengineering at CFR event

And most if not all 'global warming' "science" is partisan propaganda.

In a report titled "The First Global Revolution" (1991) published by the Club of Rome: "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

"Richard Haass, the current president of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated in his article "State sovereignty must be altered in globalized era," that a system of world government must be created and sovereignty eliminated in order to fight global warming, as well as terrorism.

I love the spin you put on things and the fact that you think John Oliver is real news AND how you COMPLETELY ignore my previous post of ACTUAL fake news.

Some 'professor' you are.

Less thab 14% of the american public has trust in the media.. And again, you speak of 'journalistic integrity' and use John Oliver and CNN. HAHAH oh the irony.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/16/2019 3:32:56 PM

Let's start with Vaccines since I'm more familiar with this debate and since the whole debate over flouride depends on the dosage.

Hemp: Vaccines show in their inserts that they can cause neurological disorders including autism.

Thimerosol-containing vaccines are associated with autism prevalence and measles-containing vaccines are associated with serious neurological disorders.

this is the very same source for your Flouride study. So either they're right about Vaccines or they don't have credibility on Flouride. I'll let you pick.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/16/2019 6:19:46 PM

Hemp:The chemical artazine has been proven to change the sex organs in frogs.

Berkeley research shows pesticide atrazine changes sex organs in frogs

From your own source:

Hayes doubts that atrazine has such severe effects on humans, because the herbicide does not accumulate in tissue and humans don't spend their lives in water like frogs do. Nevertheless, the effects of atrazine on frogs could be a sign that the herbicide is subtly affecting human sex hormones, too, interfering with androgens, such as testosterone, that control male sex characteristics.
More than 60 million pounds of the herbicide were applied last year in the United States alone. Manufacturer Syngenta estimates that farmers use the herbicide to control weeds on about two-thirds of all U.S. corn and sorghum acreage. On average, it improves corn yield by slightly more than four percent. The compound is generally considered safe, however, because it quickly decomposes in the environment and, being water soluble, is quickly excreted from the body.

Aquatic life, however, swim and breed in atrazine-contaminated field runoff. Though previous studies showed deformities and abnormalities in adult amphibians only at very high doses, no one had looked in detail at hormone levels in frogs or at effects on tadpoles, the larval stage of frogs.

end quote (of your own article)

Okay, so without even being a science genius, I can tell you that a lot of people aren't really reading and understanding the article you've cited. Because, first of all... it doesn't turn frogs gay. That's just an asinine statement relating sexual preference to genetalia. If the two were related then the homosexual phenominon would be relegated to a small handful of Americans. The idea that a mother, drinks water, and this chemical turns their child, not into a hermaphrodite, but "gay", is just dumb. Soy can act like estrogen. Tons of people eat and have grown up on soy rich diets. That doesn't turn them gay.

The problem is that this atrazine chemical hasn't been proven to effectively change anything in humans which is why Jones is talking about frogs but leaving out the fact that frogs live in water, unlike us. But of course he can't talk about humans because there isn't a rash of hermaphrodites or under developed sexual organs in humans that one could link to something as ubiquitous as drinking water. So Jones uses the idea of homsexuality as if it could be caused by a chemical. A male with a lot of estrogen may have development issues. Perhaps they might have a higher pitched voice, small stature, or other things. And MAYBE (but not really) these differences could be to such an extreme that they don't feel manly and it causes them to question their sexuality. But that being said, if they think they were supposed to be a female because of it, that has nothing to do with a chemical. That's a choice. There are plenty of effeminate men who didn't consume atrazine. There are plenty of effiminate men who are straight. And there are plenty of masculine men who are gay. So that theory doesn't hold water and is obviously being used to create fear around the water supply to help sell his own products. It's QVC for the tin foil hat community. He's profiting immensely off you and you're too proud to admit it.

Snake-oil supplements like Survival Shield X-2 Nascent Iodine ($29.95) claim to “supercharge cognitive functions” and “stabilize your vitality.” But a 2017 independent test by Labdoor and BuzzFeed, for example, found it contained just regular iodine at 3x the price. The Silver Bullet drops ($19.95), on the other hand—dubbed “survival silver,” and marketed to preppers—are completely unfounded by scientific evidence, and even considered dangerous by the National Institute of Health. There’s also a confusing brain supplement called the Real Red Pill ($54.95), which is a nod to a subculture of “awakened” men whose dogma largely rests upon deeply hating women.

So while you're pushing Infowars articles, someone is out there clicking one too many links and buying regular iodine at 3 times the price because you are doing Alex Jones's marketing for him. And he is using you to lie to more and more people. And does he pay you? Or do you do this for free? How much does your credibility cost? Let me go get my check book, lol.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/16/2019 7:09:02 PM

Again, the article I posted from Bruce Y. Lee says the same thing; that Jones would be "misinterpreting the results of that study. Gender switching is not the same as sexual preference. Exposing frogs to atrazine is not the same as giving them drinking water. And frogs usually don't drink juice boxes. Oh, and by the way, Jones' Infowars site is selling water filtration devices."

Did you get that? Or did you miss that? Jones is selling water filtration devices which means he's profiting off the very fear he causes. It is a perfect example of what David Icke talked about as thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Jones gives you the problem and the solution. All you have to do is be enough of a sucker to fall for it.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/16/2019 7:44:27 PM

Hemp:HIV was created in a lab.

HIV ‘Created by Scientist’ for Biological Warfare, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Says
Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai -- who on Friday became the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize -- on Saturday repeated her previous claims that HIV was "created by a scientist for biological warfare,"

While I would honestly like to believe this, no one has any proof of it. You just quoted a link about a Nobel prize winner making a claim based on her own biased beliefs. I also have biased beliefs so I know where she's coming from. And I find it amazing that you would use her beliefs which are inherently based on racism. She's basically saying that the West is so racists that they would use biological warfare against black people who don't even live in their country. If you think that supposition is valid then... ok. That's an interesting departure from statements you've made before. However, if you don't agree that America is racist enough to try their hand at genocide then someone claiming HIV is a result of that is not something you can use as evidence. And if you don't have stronger evidence than someone's beliefs then making that pose as news or information on Infowars or saying it on a show that people rely on for accurate information is disingenuous at the very least.

"Scientists identified a type of chimpanzee in Central Africa as the source of HIV infection in humans. They believe that the chimpanzee version of the immunodeficiency virus (called simian immunodeficiency virus, or SIV) most likely was transmitted to humans and mutated into HIV when humans hunted these chimpanzees for meat and came into contact with their infected blood. Studies show that HIV may have jumped from apes to humans as far back as the late 1800s. Over decades, the virus slowly spread across Africa and later into other parts of the world. We know that the virus has existed in the United States since at least the mid to late 1970s. To learn more about the spread of HIV in the United States and CDC’s response to the epidemic, see CDC’s HIV and AIDS Timeline."

As much as I would like to agree with the Nobel prize winner, I think this explanation is actually more credible and sounds much more plausible than the "African had sex with a monkey" nonsense I heard as a child. The fact that AIDS spreads through blood and the fact that monkeys aren't hunted in America and therefore are much more likely to spread the disease in Africa, possibly even through a bite or something that has nothing to do with sexual contact. We get bird flu and swine flu much in the same way. So even though this is somewhat plausible as a conspiracy theory I don't think its true. If it was, not only would they have had a cure a long time ago but they would have also made sure that it genetically could only target African Americans. The fact that it could spread from blacks to whites and enter the general white population through bisexuals and interracial relationships would make this an extremely idiotic move, unless they had a contingency. And they obviously did not.

Even if you could argue that rich people didn't care because they knew they weren't going to get it, they would still have to involve scientists who aren't rich and those people would have leaked. But the biggest thing negating this theory is simply the fact that if they were smart enough to engineer HIV then they would have been smart enough to target a race without infecting their own people. So I get why a lot of black people would believe this because in their minds the government has been trying to kill them for a long time. It doesn't explain why you would though. General distrust of the government is not enough of an excuse to say that they would infect gay and black people without thinking about how it could quite easily spread to heterosexual whites.

One thing to note is that a group of extremely evil people might create an infection, not to cure that infection, but to keep charging to suppress the symptoms. Poor people who couldn't afford treatment would die and the rich would easily survive. However, this would also threaten the significant white population that isn't rich and that also couldn't afford treatment. A weapon lacking precision like this would be like dropping an atom bomb on Chicago in order to wipe out drug dealing gangs. The collateral damage wouldn't make any sense.

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/17/2019 2:50:14 PM

hemp: Bill Gates is very much a eugenicist

Okay, let's talk about Bill Gates. Up front I'll tell you what my bias is. I respect Gates but I don't really trust him. Why? I believe the movie "Antitrust" COULD BE somewhat true about Bill Gates. I don't really respect how he purchased QDOS in 1981 and basically repackaged it as MS-DOS. That was basically someone else's code. Myself being a programmer, I think its fair that he bought it but I that was a business move, not "oh he's a master programmer". And that's how he's portrayed in "Antitrust". But does he then go further and steal other people's code in order to make Windows better? I've never seen any evidence to that effect so publicly I couldn't put my biased opinion or any negative feelings on him as far as any illegal activity or claims about his ideological standpoint. He seems to be serious about helping people around the world and I believe that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is doing a lot of good and doesn't have any nefarious objectives. One should be objective when speculating about entities, whether personal or corporate, and not let personal feelings dictate accusations. Now, I'm not knew to the "is Bill a eugenicist" question and it is all because of one statement. I believe you yourself said something about people being able to take one statement out of context. The question then becomes is there any other interpretation possible that could put his statement into context while understanding the point he was trying to make.

Bill Gates: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care & reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis


origin: On 21 January 2016, dubious news and conspiracy theory site published a story with the headline “Bill Gates Admits ‘Vaccines Are Best Way To Depopulate’”. The article opens with a damning claim:Bill Gates has openly admitted that vaccinations are designed so that governments can depopulate the world.

To support this claim, the site presented a February 2011 clip of Bill Gates being interviewed by CNN’s Sanjay Gupta about his foundation’s vaccination efforts:

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Ten billion dollars over the next 10 years to make it “the year of the vaccines.” What does that mean exactly?

Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. […] we only need about six or seven more — and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything — the stability, the environment — benefits from that.

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Pause. I can understand and see how easy it would be to misread this or take what he's saying out of context. You really have to wrap your head around 2 things. Please pay attention to this.

1. Population GROWTH is bad.
2. Supporting the EXISTING population is good.

To say population GROWTH is bad is not against humanity in anyway. I don't know how many teeth you have but I'm sure you wouldn't want to double that number. Scrooge made the saying "surplus population" famous but he was addressing a point of practicality. The more people there are the more problems we have as a global society. It's more waste. It's more competition for resources. It's potentially more crime. It's more disease. It's more deforestation. It's more demand for plant and animal products. Humanity is like a family. If you have too many kids the likelihood of everyone going to college decreases because if you have to help your ability is finite. And personally I know this because I have 2 biological kids and 5 step kids. So Christmas means that someone isn't going to get the greatest gift in the world because I have to be fair to the others. So when you're in control of billions of dollars and are thinking about helping the WORLD as a global family then it will quickly become apparent that we would be better off with less people. That doesn't mean you want or need to kill people in order to get the number down. China is a perfect example of this. The one child policy would basically cut their population in half if everyone followed it. And it would do this for every generation that had to follow it. Is it burdensome and restrictive? Oh hell yes. But if you have to do this so that everyone in your country can have a better life? Worth it. And no one had to be killed.

If Bill gates wanted less people, like... right now right now. Then he wouldn't be for vaccines which actually save lives. But because conspiracy theorists didn't understand point #1 that population GROWTH is bad, not population itself, they then applied this misunderstanding to Bill's support of vaccines as if that was the method to kill people. And that's ridiculous. Vaccines are small amounts of viruses that already exist that our children are likely to come into contact with ALREADY. However, the small amount allows the immune system to learn how to deal with that virus BEFORE it encounters it in larger quantity where it can be overwhelmed and defeated by the virus. So instead of thinking that Bill Gates is openly advocating for a higher quality of life for humans who are already alive they thought he was advocating for death on a massive scale. And if he himself had anything to do with it that would be the same as admitting to crimes and no one in their right mind, who has made billions, would do this on camera.

Again... population GROWTH is bad. If you think otherwise then I question your sanity and your intelligence. Bill isn't worried about the number of whites vs blacks. Those who do are engaged in racial politics. That's to Bill's credit. The people who are worried about these numbers are definitely not as concerned with the bigger humanitarian issues caused by over population. It's not like we're spreading out into desert areas and turning them into a paradise. We need areas of pure jungle and other places where the environment doesn't have to support human life. We have to live in harmony with nature and if there are too many of us we simply cannot do this effectively.

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The suggestion, hinted at by both of these clips and argued later in the article, is that Gates knows vaccines are dangerous — and he is using this information to kill children in the developing world to stem population growth. In reality, however, Gates’ statements regarding vaccines and population growth were neither an accidental slip nor a nefarious admission of plans for a new world order.

As discussed in a 21 November 2011 Forbes cover story profiling the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, reducing population growth has always been integral to their stated mission of “improving people’s health and giving them the chance to lift themselves out of hunger and extreme poverty”:

In 1997, when he and Melinda first ventured into public health […] they focused on birth control, funding a Johns Hopkins effort to use computers to help women in the developing world learn about contraception. The logic was crisp and Bill Gates-friendly. Health = resources ÷ people. And since resources, as Gates noted, are relatively fixed, the answer lay in population control.

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What is Eugenics?

the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

Eugenics has nothing to do with population size. The deception on the part of conspiracy theorists is that somehow anyone who is against population growth is the SAME as a person who wants to control human breeding in order to breed certain traits. That's what the Nazis were trying to do. That had nothing to do with population size. That was about the type of people who should get to procreate vs who shouldn't. Vaccines makes no distinctions as long as people around the world, and of ever class, are getting the same vaccines. But conspiracy theorists can't show any such disparity because vaccination is NOT some kind of conspiracy theory to kill people. And if there was a sterilizing agent in the vaccines we would all know about it by now. There isn't. But again, conspiracy theorists don't care how wrong they are as long as the conspiracy claim itself plays well into their overall narrative against government and powerful individuals.

Again, eugenics has nothing to do with population size. Therefore you can be against population growth while not being a terrible evil person; like a Nazi. Same thing is true of Margaret Sanger who is also, yes also, very much misunderstood to this day.

According to MLK:
“There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts,” he said. “…Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision.”

Was Martin Luther King a moron who didn't realize Sanger was some evil villain killing his people? Of course not. He understood that most of her efforts were in the black community because it was most in need of planned parenthood because it didn't have the same options available. When you have children you didn't plan for it is a financial strain and burden that will make it harder for you; especially if you don't have a real partner who will help carry that burden. It therefore helps to keep people in poverty by increasing their cost of living. Sanger's seeming adoption of eugenic language was mainly about people who were mentally or physically disabled which was a popular view among doctors at the time. But people took that plus her efforts to help the black community and this turned her into a racist in their minds when she wasn't. She repudiated racist exploitation of eugenics principles. Nazis didn't invent eugenics. They perverted it. I should have said that earlier but I'm saying it now.

When certain conditions can be inherited there is a better chance of passing on these conditions to children and grandchildren. And these conditions can be passive and two people who think their normal can have a child who isn't and that child could pass it on too. Prevention is better than cure but taking that option away from people isn't necessarily what anyone was about. That's a different argument than eugenics. That's genocide. Sanger witnessed the sickness and disease caused by UNWANTED pregnancies. During the early 20th century making contraceptives generally available was revolutionary. People with money had access and people without money did not. Sanger sought to change this and was basically vilified for her trouble.

note: I'm not arguing for eugenics. I'm simply trying to clarify what is and is not eugenics and what is a perversion of the idea.

Again... one can be against population growth without having eugenic beliefs. One can have the eugenic belief that severely retarded people shouldn't have children without being a Nazi. One can be a Nazi without thinking population size should be limited. These things are not the same and therefore shouldn't be painted with the same brush by wild conspiracy theories. And ultimately the reason why they are still theories is because they haven't been established by facts.

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