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Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/26/2016 12:33:59 AM

Agreed breddah Garveys. There were other factors I'm sure. Most of the periodic waves OOA would not have been albinos or carried that gene. The loss of melanin would have been due to long periods of time and adaptation to climate/environment.

I would be interested in di I's views of the other factors in regards to RACE which do not deal with ancestry and genetics alone.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/26/2016 6:18:10 AM

The definition of race has been explored thoroughly on here before. There is no one African (or any) ancestry. No one African started it all off and we all came from him/her like in the bible. There are different lineages or ancestrys within individual races. This can be demonstrated by looking at all the varied types of maternal haplogroups for example within each race, the most diverse being the African. So there is no one 'black' gene or genetics with which all black people share. So there must be something to this RACE thing more than genetics alone.

The definition from the free dictionary:


1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. (BUT) Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group."

1 - highlights the genetic variation within races themselves

2 - is the most common definition I have seen. Race is simply a classification system of undefined variable whereby ancestry and genetics can be one of them but also anything from people with a shared phenotype and no genetic link, shared geography and shared common history (being an important one). There's no specific law to which number of factors ones are referring to when talking about race

The European race is a Johnny come lately. If not by ancestry then Historically, phenotypically, through geographical isolation, culturally, genetically...... Which definition they want? This whole reasoning went off on the assumption that Europeans can trace their "ancestors" as far back as everyone else on the planet, and therefore cannot still be a Johnny come lately RACE. I say they can, according to their invented definitions of race

Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/26/2016 8:27:30 AM

Beautifully and thoroughly explained breddah! Give thanks! Couldn't have said it better myself Ras.

This has been a most interesting thread. Far from its original and intended subject, from Kemet to Hollywood, with a detour from Ethiopia to the Caucus Mountains. What with PTAH, Oscar and Johnny...from Eve to "Miss Becky" and all di rest ah dem! Wooooooo! LOL

Messenger: Voodooruuts Sent: 1/26/2016 8:27:44 AM

Yes that what was whole argument based on the "IF" humans had one mother and was African then she was Europeans ANCESTRAL mother also. That would make them here just as long as anyone else ancestral wise.

Messenger: Voodooruuts Sent: 1/26/2016 8:31:06 AM

Ms. Becky, i have a thought on that Becky too. Lol is it mosty white women with that name? If so I think its from the Igbo people who's word for white people is "onye Beke" or supm of that sort.

Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/26/2016 9:16:33 AM


My word smith Idren...di I is funny....and CORRECT! "Onye-beke" is indeed a term for white people...


Good eye!

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/28/2016 1:33:33 AM

YA mean to tell I that THIS is your response in the face of the extensive reasonings brought forth? We have painstakingly addressed EACH term di I deems as "racist". We have minutely corrected EACH historical falsehood presented. We have challenged the ingrained perspectives di I so stubbornly cling to...

Yet you do not hear us.

Or simply refuse to.

We point out the universe but all you see is our fingertip.

When you fling serious personal accusations such as "reverse/racist", "divisive" and allude to InI as not being "true Rasta", you must be ready to wisely justify your position. The vague and passive aggressive responses betray the crumbling western foundation you apparently still stand on, whether or not you are humble enough to realize it.

Those who overstand, relate to and feel I wordsound and spirit, know that I am not mean spirited, divisive or racist, nor one who reacts emotionally without proper iditation, flinging random things that cannot be valifified by intelligent research. I do not back paddle on my word. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I stand behind I word.

I didn't think more of a response would have been any use. Much of what was said was just specious arguments, you don't really care about truth or reality, you have a certain thing you want to believe, and if you find an article that appeals to what you want to believe, you just take it as truth, and don't even spend a little time on some more research to see if what was written was factual or truthful.

Caveman: a general term used by european academia to define their own ancestors, found in all school books.


- the African race is the original caveman. With cave dwellings rock art and early glphs being found almost 100000 years old. See blombos cave South Africa. No derogatory

When using the term caveman to insult a person of another race, it makes the term racist in that context.

Devil/Evil/Destroyer of Life: Is not the western world responsible for the destruction against the environment? Have they been good care takers of JAH creation? How exactly should global destruction be defined as? Honoring life?

Not all European nations have such a big impact on pollution, and the worse destroyers of the environment are not all European. Any nation with the capabilities to destroy the environment do, regardless of continent, and for the most part a nation is as bad as they are able to be. And many countries outside of Europe have much worse environmental practices and no or almost no enforced regulations. They may not be big carbon producers, but are destroying their surrounding environment severely, by poisoning it with chemicals and other means.

Barbarian: Forgive I, but what other term can be used to define the genocide of a whole race of people (Tasmanians, Native Americans), the horrific catholic Inquisitions, the Jewish holocaust, the African Holocaust, the Middle Passage, etc? What term would you find more acceptable?

Are the collective deeds and history of Europeans towards the original people....angelic? Godly?

"the collective white man had acted like a devil in virtually every contact he had with the world’s collective non-white man...The white man is not inherently evil, but America’s racist society influences him to act evilly. The society has produced and nourishes a psychology which brings out the lowest, most base part of human beings" --Malcolm X

Murderous/Violent by Nature:
Has the European collective and history not been a murderous and violent one? How else would you prefer to describe it? LOL!

barbarian? Destroyer of life? Murderer?

- the Indigenous peoples of the earth have all been invaded and oppressed by the white collective with the White race declaring others as barbaric. They said they needed to invade to bring the world culture, civilisation etc. Since as long as InI people can remember through direct experience the one pointing the finger about barbarism is the one who's actions have been closest to such.

You talk about a collective because by looking at European as a collective, you can pretend to justify your racism and even pretend that it is not racism at all. African and North/South American colonialism and slave trade was not a collective of all or even the majority of white people or European nations. So instead of making racist accusations against a "white collective", make your accusations against the perpetrators of the crime.

List of the 9 European countries involved in North/South American and/or African colonialism and/or slave trade

Greece (600BC-100BC)

List of 37 European countries not involved in North/South America and African colonialism or slave trade
(some were also victims of one or more of the above perpetrators)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Czech Republic
San Marino

How is 9 out of 46 countries a collective of white people or European Nations? That is not to say that the people of those 38 countries have never done any wickedness in their history or in present times, but no nation on any continent can make the claim of never dealing with wickedness. But you blame all white people for colonialism and the slave trade, when it was not even close to all white people. And that is racism whether or not you want to admit it.

Pale: Since when is this a derogatory term? Europeans use this term to describe themselves. Would "dark" be correct? Brown?

Pale is not the issue, it is "pale and sickly child", and primarily the "sickly" part.

Sickly: the albino African (from whom europeans come from) is physically weaker. Lack of skin pigmentation makes for more susceptibility to sunburn and skin cancers.

Mutant: Though I don't believe I have used this term to describe white folks,however albinism is caused by a mutation in one of several genes.

That is just a specious argument that is not based on facts, and if you spent a little time verifying it, you would have seen that. The white skin of Europeans is not albinism. It is a completely different mutation involved, and the characteristics of it is not the same as albinism. Albinism affects some people of all races, and all people of all races have one the same type of mutations for the various forms of albinism. There are multiple problems associated with albinism in addition to the lack of melanin, and European don't experience those symptoms. Albinos have no or very little melanin, but Europeans do produce melanin and have the same amount of melanocyte cells as Africans. Melanacytes in Africans are larger and spread basically uniformally throughout the skin, while the melanacytes in non-Africans are smaller and arranged in clusters, and produce more or less melanin depending on the amount of exposure to the sun. The melanacytes adjusts based on the amount of sun available creating a tan if needed to offer more melanin protection the next time the skin is exposed to the sun.

Melanin is an important health factor. If it wasnt, it wouldn't currently be a marketable commodity. A very profitable one. One that europeans are flocking to get. WHY? Europeans, generally speaking, also do not reproduce as other melanated peoples. The use of artificial conception is a european commodity. Test tube babies an ting. They remain the TRUE minority as compared to the numbers of non whites on earth.

In the United States, 15% of white women (25-44) seek medical fertility help, while 7.6% of Hispanic woman and 8% of black women seek it. On the surface that may appear that white women face more infertility, but it only shows that they were more likely to seek medical help. The National Center for Health Statistics conducted a survey from 2006-2010 that found married black woman were almost twice as likely to suffer infertility, many are just not seeking medical help.

Whatever a study shows, whether it shows that white woman have more fertility problems or that black women face more fertility problems. Don't you realize that it shouldn't be a thing used to rub in people's faces or mock them or belittle them or as an argument against them because their race, or nation, or religion is different than yours? If the I were to bring up a thing like that, as a conscious person, it should be for the purposes of helping those people with the problem, to tell them things they could do to help, or at least to suggest that they look into ways to help if you did not come across any ways to help in your research.

That being said, melanin is a factor that can cause fertility issues in darker skin Europeans, Asians, and especially Africans who live in places that are far from the equator, especially in the winter time. The reason is that their vitamin D levels are too low because their skin blocks more UV rays and there is not enough exposure to the sun in the winter. All women tend to be low in vitamin D in the winter, and should take supplements or eat vitamin D rich foods if trying to get pregnant or are pregnant, and the darker a person's skin, the lower their vitamin D will be if they are not getting it elsewhere.

The article where I found those fertility statistics above

Infertility, Endured Through a Prism of Race

also said that "black women were more commonly affected by fibroids — benign tumors in or around the uterus that can play a role in infertility — and that their fibroids tended to be larger and more persistent than white women’s"

And it goes on to say
Dr. David B. Seifer, co-director of Genesis Fertility and Reproductive Medicine at Maimonides Medical Center and a clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at New York University, said fibroids were just one of various “cultural issues, biological issues and social issues” black women face that can affect their fertility. He said black women often waited longer to seek a diagnosis of or treatment for infertility, which “gives all of these other biological factors more time to become more severe.

Messenger: royal dawta Sent: 1/28/2016 7:48:54 AM

ALL White countries shares the same racial ideology toward Blacks. By excusing 38 + White countries just because they never participated in the Slave Trade directly, doesn't mean a gotdamn thang. America, alone, have among them, nationals of all the White countries and you all share in the same Racial Superiority and Racism at Blacks. Therefore your guilt is the same, and count against yall. Why are all White Countries/White People blamed for the Slave Trade? The Slave Trade is covered by the Blame Whitey Blanket, the Blame Whitey Blanket stretches from today, all the way back to the exploration of west Africa and it covers everything in between.

Exploration of west Africa - 1400s? 1500s?
Today's date -2016

Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/28/2016 8:49:21 AM

This is a noble yet feeble attempt to minimize Europe's racism, historically and presently.

Whether some countries actively participated in the Afrikan Holocaust or not, many not only benefited from it, but continue to demonstrate it's deep seeded racism against people of color.

There are plenty of white people who did not own slaves...yet reap the benefits of white skin privilege.

Having travelled extensively and lived throughout Europe, I can assure you, racism is alive and well.

Time permitting, I could find racist ideologies and practices in most of the countries listed.

Off the cuff, the two I randomly picked from your list:

Racism in Albania

An international survey data from the World Value Survey collected and processed by the Washington Post reveals that Albania is the most racist country in Europe and worldwide more racists.

Racism in Sweden

Sweden is home to several white supremacistand neo-Nazi organizations, including:

Legion WasaSwedish Resistance Movement

Former organizations include:

National Socialist FrontWhite Aryan Resistance

Though we can all agree that not ALL europeans are racist, or played active and/or documented roles in the slave trade, this does not exempt them from reaping it's benefits. The mere attempt to diffuse or minimize the obvious is reflective of pervading unconscious privilege.

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/28/2016 9:06:36 AM

You will not find a country in any continent that is free of people that don't have racist/prejudice attitudes towards people of other religions, cultures, nations, races etc.

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