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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/9/2014 12:56:04 PM


- Self reliance
- African ipremacy and organisation

- it is these concepts which have always and will always outweigh any religious system of belief in the movement.

EthiopianismArticle Free Pass
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Ethiopianism, religious movement among sub-Saharan Africans that embodied the earliest stirrings toward religious and political freedom in the modern colonial period. The movement was initiated in the 1880s when South African mission workers began forming independent all-African churches, such as the Tembu tribal church (1884) and the Church of Africa (1889). An ex-Wesleyan minister, Mangena Mokone, was the first to use the term when he founded the Ethiopian Church (1892). Among the main causes of the movement were the frustrations felt by Africans who were denied advancement in the hierarchy of the mission churches and racial discontent encouraged by the colour bar. Other contributing factors were the desire for a more African and relevant Christianity, for the restoration of tribal life, and for political and cultural autonomy expressed in the slogan “Africa for the Africans” and also in the word Ethiopianism.

The mystique of the term Ethiopianism derived from its occurrence in the Bible (where Ethiopia is also referred to as Kush, or Cush) and was enhanced when the ancient independent Christian kingdom of Ethiopia defeated the Italians at Adwa in 1896. The word therefore represented Africa’s dignity and place in the divine dispensation and provided a charter for free African churches and nations of the future.

Parallel developments occurred elsewhere and for similar reasons. In Nigeria the so-called African churches—the Native Baptist Church (1888), the formerly Anglican United Native African Church (1891) and its later divisions, and the United African Methodist Church (1917)—were important. Other Ethiopian-related movements were represented by the Cameroun Native Baptist Church (1887); by the Native Baptist Church (1898) in Ghana; in Rhodesia by a branch (1906) of the American Negro denomination, the African Methodist Episcopal Church, and by Nemapare’s African Methodist Church (1947); and by the Kenyan Church of Christ in Africa (1957), formerly Anglican.

Early Ethiopianism included tribalist, nationalist, and Pan-African dimensions, which were encouraged by association with independent American black churches and radical leaders with “back to Africa” ideas and an Ethiopianist ideology. This ideology was explicit in the thought of such pioneers of African cultural, religious, and political independence as Edward Wilmot Blyden and Joseph Ephraim Casely-Hayford of Ghana (e.g., his Ethiopia Unbound, 1911).

Ethiopian movements played some part in the Zulu rebellion of 1906 and especially in the Nyasaland rising of 1915 led by John Chilembwe, founder of the independent Providence Industrial Mission. From about 1920, political activities were channeled into secular political parties and trade unions, and the use of the term Ethiopian then narrowed to one section of African independent religious movements (see Zionist church). These Ethiopian-type churches originated by secession (and further sub-secessions) from a mission-connected church, which they resemble in beliefs, polity, and worship and from which they differ in certain cultural and ethnic practices.

Messenger: 1forTruth Sent: 1/9/2014 1:03:13 PM

Seen I overstand the I now.......So will one now leave his Majesty Teachings and still call him or herself Rastafari while burning the book he glories in...

I will say that the bible didn't do harm, can't personify pages but the ppl who stole this legacy did the harm....but even in these scriptures you will see Truth....Now I will give the I some biblical scriptures to give a hint of what happened to Kemet

Here is some sources that gives an account of what happened to Egypt. After all, if the Empire and faith was so big, why did it fall?..the bible speaks of this as well.

Isaiah 19

“I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
brother will fight against brother,
neighbor against neighbor,
city against city,
kingdom against kingdom.
3 The Egyptians will lose heart,
and I will bring their plans to nothing;
they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead,
the mediums and the spiritists.
4 I will hand the Egyptians over
to the power of a cruel master,
and a fierce king will rule over them,”
declares the Lord, the Lord Almighty.
(who is this fierce king, a foreign invader)

******If a nation and everything part of it was to fall, this is how it happened...for you can't destroy a mans house unless the leadership is not leading correctly....

Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

*****Here is more resources in the bible, speaking well of Egypt****

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Hosea 13:4

Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Here is another

Hosea 12:9

And I that am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt will yet make thee to dwell in tabernacles, as in the days of the solemn feast.

****Egypt is where the character Moses first found God and he delivered them from a wicked ruler who thought he himself was God.

I think the next step is to know why through the relics of why did the Kemet kingdom fall, what have they done to be taken over by foreign invaders, did they serve the one true Jah Rastafari or did they bow down to a multiple of gods like Solomon, and then give thanks for these clues placed in the bible that directs InI back to Egypt...

King James didn't translate it, but his assigned priests did, we should give thanks that at least one of them decided to slide these clues in here to remind InI of the past.

I think also InI should learn the Amharic language, for HIM Haile Selassie I did authorize the Amharic bible to see what truths HE left for InI in regards to Kemet, which he was very well aware of.

I like this chart from Gerald Massey

Egyptian - (Began 4,000 BCE)
•The Mysteries
•The Sem, or mythical representations
•The Ritual as the book.of resurrection
•The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep
•Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra
•Ra, the holy spirit
•Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit
•Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God
• The trinity of Atum (or Osiris) the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Ra the holy spirit
•Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusaas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu
•The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian

•Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name, as a child
•Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son
•The .rst Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father
•The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father
•The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters
•Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven The outcast great mother with her seven sons
•Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut
•Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one
•Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Isis
•Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus
Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity

Christian - (Began 200 BCE)
•The miracles.
•The parables.
•The Book of Revelation.
•The sayings of Jesus.
•Ihuh, the father in heaven as the eternal.
•God the Holy Ghost.
•God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit.
•Jesus the manifesting Son of God.
•The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
•The Hebrew Messianic Child.
•Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy).
•Mary the virgin mother of Jesus.
•Jesus as the Virgin's child, the Christ as son of the father.
•Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father.
•The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who , were sisters.
•Mary, as Regina Cceli.
•Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils.
•The woman taken in adultery.
•The manger as cradle of the Child Christ.
•Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary.
•Joseph, as foster-father to the Child
•Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity.

***Dis chart proves what HIM said that no matter how many versions the word remains one and the same. For Kingdoms fall and the names may change but the Spirit never ceases.....Selam Tenayistilin

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/9/2014 6:13:05 PM

Your knowledge of Egypt is based on the bible and Egyptologist - both inaccurate and false as their main purpose was to detract from the glory of Kemet and it's blackness

Why did Kemet fall? Kemet fell because of the Arab slave trade

And we were already 6000 years and more we were in our final stages anyway, name me 3 more kingdoms of 6000 years or more in length?

I'd suggest you use only African scholars when looking to egypt, dr Ben and dr clarke are the original ones to start with..... And you wouldn't use names such as Horus - I man burn Horus. Horus is a Greek word. Start with Ausar / Auset and Isis. And the Mdu Ntr.... Not European stories of Horus! And certainly one cannot look to the bible for any information on Egypt, other than a racist attempt to put down the name of Kemet and Kush.

All the wonders of Egypt are te result of the knowledge gained from earlier dynasty's of Nubia and Ethiopia...... This is significant as Rastafari

As far as Haile.... Haile said that his religion was 'not the only valid path' to righteousness. So I'm happy with that....

Tena tena

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/9/2014 6:23:21 PM

My rasta brethren a make a point

- why are ones going into the bible for bible references in order to show why one shouldn't burn the bible? And that it isn't plagiarised?

- it's like when giving a definition of something, you shouldn't include the word you are defining!

You see it? Lol it no matter....

Messenger: 1forTruth Sent: 1/9/2014 10:21:02 PM

Much love to the I, The I has taught I somethings that I didnt know, as well I hope the I can take some things from I own study.

So i won't use bible for my last point since you won't receive it, but it will prove that what I gave the I is facts from Isaiah 19 and 20 from your own teacher Dr. Henrik Clarke

4. The Nile Valley Civilizations – The Decline

The Assyrian invasion of 871 B.C. drove the Kushite forces to the south and began the harshness and misrule that destroyed the grandeur that once was Egypt. Egypt continued to decline while a young nation on the other side of the Mediterranean—Greece—began to gather, its power around 500 B.C. In the year 332 B.C. Alexander the Great, a student of Aristotle, invaded Egypt. This was the first purely European invasion of Africa. The aftermath of this invasion, and the new European interest in dominating the trade of the Mediterranean world, led to the Punic Wars and the invasion by the Romans.

This is from Africa: The Passing of the Golden Ages
By John Henrik Clarke (May 1988)

If you look at an old map, you will see that Arabia did cover Assyria before it separated

The Assyrian invasion is mentioned in the what I provided above.

From Dr. Ben Yosef

667 -- Nubians battle Assyrians for both Lower and Upper Kemet.

Also you testified that you bun Egyptologist but gave I Dr. Ben Yosef who is an Egyptologist as a source...I hope that you are not using him as your teacher cause if that is the case then you just bun yourself.

"Dr. Yosef ben-Jochannan, Kemetologist (Egyptologist):
Ancient Egyptians were Black..

Iman is not tryin to put down the I but to help the I receive the Spirit of Truth from whereever the winds blows and take heed to the judgement the I gives.

For here is a start and I would say the Most Important point that the I has mentioned...the I said
As far as Haile.... Haile said that his religion was 'not the only valid path' to righteousness. So I'm happy with that....

Which I agree with, and if that is what you agree with, why bun his book?

The Conquering Lion Always Prevails. JAH RASTAFARI

Is the bible plagiarised,it may be, but as Rastafari Iman will defend InI Fathers book that he has quoted in many speeches to enlighten man.

Messenger: Raybob Sent: 1/9/2014 11:57:27 PM

Brother Garveys, the word of God is true. Translations twist it but the word is true and living, just as Ras Tafari is true and living. Before becoming Rasta, InI overstood Babylon, overstood Jah's kingdom a now in spirit, not future physical kingdom. InI just didn't understand it was Rastafari, only understood what I knew as the spiritual "Kingdom of God". InI overstood prophecies of the kindgom as in Joel 2, but could not make heads or tails of what was written in Joel 3 for the life of I, until InI overstood Isus was Black, not white. Now, so many OT prophecies like Joel 3 make perfect sense to I.

In the past, InI overstood the prophecy to Solomon that his kingdom would be taken from him and given to another as referring to Jah's kingdom set up by JC. InI didn't onderstand so much in historic biblical lineages, etc., and of how son of Solomon would have kingdom in Ethiopia, until InI realized Rastari, until InI overstood Jah within. In overstanding the bible, that is when "He who feels it, knows it" comes to play. When you know it, you 'feel' it, as you read it.

None of the bible, beyond Acts 2, is necessary for overstanding Jah's kingdom. From Act 2 onward, the law was written in the hearts of man, no longer needing stone tablets.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/10/2014 1:53:24 AM

1fortruth - Dr Ben was not an Egyptologist, if you still don't overs the difference then I cannot help you. Dr Ben and Dr Clarke pioneered exposing the whole of Egyptology for what it is. There are no African Egyptologists. Dr Ben taught this..... He has an Egyptology degree - but still, you have to look into what Egyptology actually is. Dr Ben studied the Nile Valley Civilisations / Kemet or whatever you may call it but not 'Egyptology' which was created by racist Europeans during the 1800s. When dealing with Egypt and its Ancient History you have to deal with primary sources or at least the works of trustworthy scholars who have done their own primary research such as Dr Ben, Cheikh Anta Diop and Ashra Kwesi ...Van Sertima....But when one looks to Egypt as the Ancients did, one can overstand the allegorical meanings of the storys of Ausar/Auset and their relation with the sciences and life itself. This is different to modern / JudeoChristian and many Rasta way of looking at things.... we tend not to look on Biblical stories or characters as allegorical but as actual factual beings.....all of them. Despite the bible saying 'Abraham is an allegory' if i was to reason Abraham didnt exist for example - ones wouldnt have it. I still havent seen the points made in my first post refuted as of yet and you still haven't come to realise what i originally had said about when rasta say 'burn' - there is a plurality of definition, depending on the consciousness. +We wholeheartedly burn the Bible iya..... a just so it go.

- I really dont overs the relevancy of the Assyria / Kushite posts? That happened hundreds of years before the Bible was written. This isn't a prophecy, this is recorded history! I have never said the Bible (or some of it) isn't loosely based on history. But history with a skewed and polluted view of Africa, Africans and Egypt........ and Women.....+The way it has been used since its origin, and the fact they had to plagiarise the stories from the same people they are fighting against - well thats three strikes, the bible is out!

The important point is: Anything whatever it is, written in the Bible - African spirituality history culture and religion go far beyond. As a RooTSman, thats what I a deal with. Nothing second hand..... leave that over there with Rome.

Raybob, None of it, including Acts 2, is 'necessary' to overstand His Majestys Kingdom.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/10/2014 1:57:18 AM

Dr John Henrik Clarke

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/10/2014 2:22:01 AM

I wonder if Rasta know say HIM was Crowned by the Coptic Church of Alexandra and not the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. The Greek/Roman Church........

Just because Haile Selassie dealt with his religion in them way does not mean the same is right for I. Bun Christianity., especiallllllly the GrecoRoman variation.

People often say they have found personal individual enlightenment within the Bible. I am happy for this. Haile Selassie I. However, if one overstands the sociopolitical advantages of organised religion one will overstand why every major religion has a sacred 'text' of 'Gods word' =- this is where we start to stray from the allegorical expression of common spirituality; and delve into predefined organised thinking which is irrefutable to the point where one would sell his own nation out, as it is 'Gods word' and not the word of man (as rightfully intended). If one looks to the bloodshed and warfare, and the the world economic shift, from the inception of the Bible to the present day, then I man as a Rastafari Panafricanist will say Burn the Bible - it is not 'NEEDED' (while it can be used - Needed is the word were dealing with) to come to the fullness of Rastafari.

+ No post on this website for example has any more or less claim at being (the inspired / the real) word of god more than any of the bible authors.

The most I will accept it as is scrambled reasonings and fables of scholars of the 2nd-3rd centuries; with an underlying theme of African deception.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/10/2014 2:35:54 AM

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