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MARCUS MOSIAH GARVEY

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Messenger: jah_cedes Sent: 12/12/2011 1:37:13 AM
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GREETINGS,
BLESSINGS TO THE I FROM I;
WONDERING, WHO REMEMBER GREAT MARCUS GARVEY AND WHAT,WHO,HOW AND WHEN HE WAS? BECAUSE SOME FORGET THE AFRICANS FOR AFRICA MEANING.


Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/12/2011 2:52:37 AM
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Greetings
Jah Cedes
Rather than trying to test InI bredren, would it not be more benifical to share your overstanding of the works and teachings of the honerable Marcus Mosiah Garvey in order to reach the heights of reasoning? Each one teach one, not each one test one. Iron sharpens Iron bredren !

Blessed love



Messenger: jah_cedes Sent: 12/12/2011 3:08:13 AM
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IRIE BRETHREN,
I WAS LOOKING TO BE TAUGHT AND TEACH WHAT IS KNOWN,
MARCUS GARVEY IS GREAT HE PROMISED GOD WILL BE FULFILLED! HE CONQUERS WITH 1GOD 1AIM 1DESTINY.
BLESS JAH RAS TAFARI


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 12/15/2011 11:48:43 AM
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Give Thanks for the Words and Works of the Mighty Prophet Marcus Mosiah Garvey.

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It is hoped that when the time comes for American and West Indian Negroes to settle in Africa, they will realize their responsibility and their duty. It will not be to go to the natives, but it shall be the purpose of the Universal Negro Improvement Association to have established in Africa the brotherly co-operation which will make the interest of the African native and the American and West Indies Negro one and the same, that is to say, we shall enter into a common partnership to build up Africa in the interest of our race.
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Africa for the Africans



Messenger: jah_cedes Sent: 12/15/2011 6:32:11 PM
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BLESSING,
THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION OF
THE ALMIGHTY MOSIAH WHO PROMISE INI THAT ALL AFRICANS SHALL RETURN BACK TO WHERE INI WAS STOLEN OF, AFRICA, SHOWING THAT INI IS A MIGHTY RACE AND SHALL RISE FOR INI IS AT A LEVEL OF DISGRACE! SO HE PROMISED THAT THE "KING TO BE FEARED" IS TO FULFILL ELECT OF GOD! SO KING TO BE FEARED ANGEL CAUSED LIGHT, DO THE I SEE?
JAH RAS TAFARI


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 12/17/2011 4:17:17 PM
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Here's a documentary about Marcus Garvey:




Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/26/2011 3:28:08 PM
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The Prophesy:Prophet Gravey Hails King Selassie I – by – Marcus Garvey in “The Black Man,” November 8, 1930
Rastafarians refer to this article as the Prohecy by Marcus Garvey. It welcomes the crowning of Emperor Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia. The article is reproduced here by Rasta livewire verbatim as it was first published in November 8, 1930 in Garvey’s Jamaican newspaper, The Blackman:

By Marcus Garvey

Last Sunday, a great ceremony took place at Addis Ababa, the capital of Abyssinia. It was the coronation of the new Emperor of Ethiopia — Ras Tafari. From reports and expectations, the scene was one of great splendor, and will long be remembered by those who were present. Several of the leading nations of Europe sent representatives to the coronation, thereby paying their respects to a rising Negro nation that is destined to play a great part in the future history of the world. Abyssinia is the land of the blacks and we are glad to learn that even though Europeans have been trying to impress the Abyssinians that they are not belonging to the Negro Race, they have learned the retort that they are, and they are proud to be so.

Ras Tafari has traveled to Europe and America and is therefore no stranger to European hypocrisy and methods; he, therefore, must be regarded as a kind of a modern Emperor, and from what we understand and know of him, he intends to introduce modern methods and systems into his country. Already he has started to recruit from different sections of the world competent men in different branches of science to help to develop his country to the position that she should occupy among the other nations of the world.

We do hope that Ras Tafari will live long to carry out his wonderful intentions. From what we have heard and what we do know, he is ready and willing to extend the hand of invitation to any Negro who desires to settle in his kingdom. We know of many who are gone to Abyssinia and who have given good report of the great possibilities there, which they are striving to take advantage of.

The Psalmist prophesied that Princes would come out of Egypt and Ethiopia would stretch forth her hands unto God. We have no doubt that the time is now come. Ethiopia is now really stretching forth her hands. This great kingdom of the East has been hidden for many centuries, but gradually she is rising to take a leading place in the world and it is for us of the Negro race to assist in every way to hold up the hand of Emperor Ras Tafari


Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/26/2011 3:30:21 PM
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The Doubts and Hesitations of Marcus Garvey; The Day Marcus Garvey Dissed Haile Selassie I
By Marcus Garvey

The Failure of Emperor Haile Selassie

It is a pity that a man of the limited intellectual calibre and weak political character like Haile Selassie became Emperor of Abyssinia at so crucial a time in the political history of the world. Unfortunately, Abyssinia lost the controlling influence of a political personality of patriotic racial character like the late Menelik, whose loyalty to his race and devotion to his country excelled all his other qualities, to the extent that he was able to use that very strength to continuously safeguard the interests of the Ethiopian Empire. What he did so well to preserve, a cringing, white slave hero worshipper, visionless and disloyal to his country, threw away. This is the impression the serious minded political student forms of the conduct of the ex-Emperor of Abyssinia.

EVERY NEGRO ASHAMED

Every Negro who is proud of his race must be ashamed of the way in which Haile Selassie surrendered himself to the white wolves of Europe. These statements may be considered very severe, and in fact, they are. We could have been otherwise apologetic and sympathetic, but that would have been only if we were dealing with a Coptic Priest or a Religious Monk and not a[n] Emperor who held and presided over the political trust of twelve million people of his own country, and the political destiny of the entire Negro race. This little misguided Emperor could not realize that he held in his hands the political trust of the hundreds of millions of Negroes of the world, men and women, who were looking up toward the firm establishment of political sovereignty, and that Ethiopia, like Liberia and Haiti were to them prizes of glory to be perpetuated and strengthened in the maintenance of the dignity of that black race that other men have claimed to be incompetent, inferior and unworthy, which every black man must disprove.

LOOKED WITH HOPE
When the war started in Abyssinia all Negro nationalists looked with hope to Haile Selassie. They spoke for him, they prayed for him, they sung for him, they did everything to hold up his hands, as Aaron did for Moses; but whilst the Negro peoples of the world were praying for the success of Abyssinia this little Emperor was undermining the fabric of his own kingdom by playing the fool with white men, having them advising him[,] having them telling him what to do, how to surrender, how to call off the successful thrusts of his Rases against the Italian invaders. Yes, they were telling him how to prepare his flight, and like an imbecilic child he followed every advice and then ultimately ran away from his country to England, leaving his people to be massacred by the Italians, and leaving the serious white world to laugh at every Negro and repeat the charge and snare – “he is incompetent,” “we told you so.” Indeed Haile Selassie has proved the incompetence of the Negro for political authority, but thank God there are Negroes who realize that Haile Selassie did not represent the truest qualities of the Negro race. How could he, when he wanted to play white? How could he, when he surrounded himself with white influence? How could he, when in a modem world, and in a progressive civilization, he preferred a slave State of black men than a free democratic country where the black citizens could rise to the same opportunities as white citizens in their democracies?

TELL THE TRUTH
The truth must be told so that the white world will realize that it was not the pride of the Negro that surrendered in Abyssinia. It was the disloyalty of a single man who was too silly to take pride in his race, who played such a game as to disgrace the political integrity of a noble people. The Negroes of Abyssinia and of the world are satisfied however that Abyssinia was not conquered by Italy and the European forces of Mussolini. Abyssinia was only conquered by the black levies of Italy. The Askaris have really been the victors in Abyssinia. [Rodolfo] Graziani only marched into Addis Ababa after he had made sure of the advanced guard of the Askaris. Every battle that the Italians won in Abyssinia resulted from the advanced charge of the Askaris. It was black men fighting black men, and this was made possible in Abyssinia because the regime of Haile Selassie had given a bad taste to the mouth, not only of the blacks of Abyssinia but of those of the surrounding territories. They felt that they had a cause against the Amharic white loving Emperor who liked to chain and flog black men, and whose brutality to them gave Mussolini the cause to fool the world that he was bestowing a blessing upon the people of Abyssinia by freeing them.

NO SLAVES
It was a piece of impertinence to suggest that black men should be held as slaves. We must admit that we glorified Haile Selassie when the war started, fought his battles to win international support, but we ever felt deep down in our hearts that he was a slave master. We had hoped that if Abyssinia had won that we would have forced the Government of Abyssinia to free the black whom they held as slaves. We would have preferred this than seeing the country taken by Mussolini or any European power; but now that the country is temporarily lost and the Emperor has cowardly exiled himself, the truth must be told.

WHAT RIGHT HAS HE?
The future freedom of Abyssinia must be built upon the highest principles of democracy. That is why it is preferable for the Abyssinian Negroes and the Negroes of the world to work for the restoration and freedom of the country without the assistance of Haile Selassie, because at best he is but a slave master.

The Negroes of the Western World whose forefathers suffered for three hundred years under the terrors of slavery ought to be able to appreciate what freedom means. Surely they cannot feel justified in supporting any system that would hold their brothers in slavery in another country whilst they are enjoying the benefits of freedom elsewhere.

The Africans who are free can also appreciate the position of slaves in Abyssinia. What right has the Emperor to keep slaves when all the democratic sections of the world were free, when men had the right to live, to develop, to expand, to enjoy all the benefits of human liberty[?]

The Emperor who has been exiled in Europe must have seen the civilization of Europe. In England where he lives he sees that men are not flogged and chained and kicked because of their colour or because of their condition, but where true human liberty guarantees to every man the happiest pursuit he can bring to himself.

It has been reported that he is leaving England for Syria, where a large number of Abyssinian refugees are living. There is an interpretation that the decision to leave England and to live among “his people?” in Syria is to perpetuate his divine majesty in the presence of that king worship that he doesn’t get in England, where men look at others as equals and not as masters by divine right. In truth, the Emperor is out of place in democratic England. He wants to be once more in the environment of the feudal Monarch who looks down upon his slaves and serfs with contempt.

Except he changes the attitude of thinking himself better than the Negro who constitutes the larger number of Ethiopia and profit by the experience he has gained, he should not be a fit person to be in authority in the very country in which he was born.

After all, Haile Selassie is just an ordinary man like any other human being. What right has he to hold men as slaves? It is only the misfortune of the slaves that causes him to be a slave master. Negroes who have the dignity of their race at heart resent the impertinence of anyone holding the blacks as slaves.

Haile Selassie ought to realize this and abolish his foolish dream of being an Emperor of slaves and serfs and try to be an Emperor of noble men, and for him to be that he must himself be the noblest of them all.

He hasn’t proved his nobility in the war between Italy and Abyssinia. Ras Desta proved to be the Lord, the Nobleman of Ethiopia whilst Haile Selassie proved a cringing coward!

Source

http://daghettotymz.com/current/selassie/selassie.html



Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/26/2011 4:15:51 PM
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To I Marcus was a warrior, a prophet, a poet. The way he spoke the raspect he commanded, his works awoke millions of sleeping minds, he is a inspiration to I and should be to all who sight Rastafari, he told InI to look to Africa, which for I the more I do the more I realise the power and truth of Black supremacy, the first civalisation, the first university's, the first architects, the first Man the first wombman all African BLACK. Jah also BLACK, blackness not only populated the earth it created it, the root of life for all mankind is African.

As great as Marcus was he was human and made mistakes as humans do, this is for Selassie I to judge, so I try to focus only the good, the great work, and all he achieved,
I think at the time the world needed Marcus not only Africans but mankind he shook the world, but today is a new time. Marcus served to lead InI to Selassie I, now is the time of RasTafari, RasTafari himself told us any movement or mission will fail if it is without God. Jah Rastafari unlike mankind is wise and perfect in everyway. So when he speaks WE ALL must listen and obey, if it contradicts or goes against what Marcus or the leaders of any other movement says then so be it. Rastafari has given us the gift of his wisdom for this time, in the form of speeches, interviews, biographys ect it is upto us to follow and put into action the Foundations Jah RasTafarI has set !! Great thing is when I think about it I have never read a word, thought or opinion of RasTafari that I have Disagreed with so far everything I have personally read has been clarification and confirmation of I own thoughts RasTafari Has given I

Blessed Love


Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/26/2011 7:21:14 PM
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The first article was written days after RasTafari took the throne so the world still knew him as Ras Tafari (his pre coronation name), the second was years later so the world knew him as Haile Selassie .I don't believe there is any more too it than that !


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