Gideon,
I agree with part of what you reason and see it as truth, but I don't agree with all of it and I don't see all of it as truth.
You are confident and have faith that the what you speak is truth and I am confident and have faith that what I speak is truth. One difference is that I don't require others to agree with what I see as Truth to Itinue to reason about it.
I agree with the following reasoning of yours,
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I just want to clear up what it means to be saved by grace. When you ask God to forgive you for your sins and empower you to change, that is what it means to be saved by grace, or born again. It's that simple. Basically you go to God and say that you know that you messed up and you're sorry and you want to change and you want him to help you to change. That is what repentance means, and that is the essence of salvation by grace.
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I am just going to clarify the fullness of my agreement with this, to show why I don't agree with another part that I will write about later in this reasoning.
You said, "When you ask God to forgive you for your sins and empower you to change" When I ask Jah to forgive I of I sins and empower I to change, I have faith that Jah will empower I to change. But until the time comes that I have changed so that sin cannot tempt I anymore and that I sin no more, I know that my faith is not complete. Because if my faith is complete in that Jah has empowered I to change, then I must change, that is the only possibility if the faith is complete and true.
I also agree with this next statement that you said,
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When someone puts faith in christ they are identifying themselves with christ, so as Paul says they take on the character and nature of christ. When you accept christ you are accepting salvation by grace, it is the same thing.
Christ means God living inside of man, or through man. When you have faith in christ it means that you have faith that you share the same spirit as God. So it means that spiritually you are pure and holy.
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You said, "When you accept christ you are accepting salvation by grace, it is the same thing." So as you said accepting Christ is the same as being saved by grace, which you spoke about in the reasoning that I quoted before the one above.
And as you said, "so as Paul says they take on the character and nature of christ." and you said, "Christ means God living inside of man, or through man. When you have faith in christ it means that you have faith that you share the same spirit as God. So it means that spiritually you are pure and holy."
So how can someone take on the character and nature of Christ and still Sin? All those that imagine that they are taking on Christ's character and still Sin are trusting in illusion. Taking on the character and nature of Christ precisely means that your mind will think like the mind of Christ, and Christ doesn't sin, so the works that comes out of a person that has Christ's nature will not be sin. And if you share the same spirit as God and are pure and holy, then you will not sin because Jah doesn't sin. That is reason why Christ didn't sin, He shares the same spirit as God and therefore Lives by the example of Jah.
If you think there is an error in my reasoning in this post, then explain, because I don't see that it can be any different than this.
So now, the part that I don't agree with,
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When believers do physically wrong things, basically not acting in faith, then they know they are forgiven instantly because it is just a mistake. It's not something deliberate.
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So if they are "not acting in faith", then how can they say that they have faith in Christ, and are saved by Grace, and have the character and nature of Christ.
Again, I am saying that when Faith in Christ is there and you are saved by Grace, then you won't sin. And as I have said before, as long as we have breath, Jah always will forgive us and accept our Faith when we truly have Faith. But from now until the next time you sin, you don't truly have Faith in Christ and you are not truly saved by Grace. Because if your Faith is True, then there will be no next time of sin. And Jah knows when a person's Faith is True and when it is not. Jah doesn't need to wait until the sin occurs to know if a person truly has Faith in Jah, Jah knows when a person is telling the Truth and when they are not.
So if a person sins and then repents truly, and truly has Faith in Jah, and immediately after this Jah takes their breath, then they will be saved by Grace, even though there were no works. But if a person imagines that they repent and imagines that they have faith in Jah, Jah knows that their faith is not true, and that person will not be saved by Grace. And related to this I will repeat what I said above "But from now until the next time you sin, you don't truly have Faith in Christ and you are not truly saved by Grace". So for those people that are in this same mindset where they say they repent and they say they have faith and they say they are saved by grace, and Jah takes their breath away, then they will die in their sin.
So Like Burning Spear say, "Get Ready".
I and I must realize what True Faith is and I and I must have True Faith, or else we are believing in illusion, rather than Living in Truth. So that is why I say that if the works are not there, then all those that say they are saved are fooling themselves and should instead build up True Faith within. The Ones that have the works are not saved by the works, but they are saved by Grace. But those that are saved by Grace, and have the opportunity to perform works, will only perform good works.
Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
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