Carter: Are you saying we should steer evolution so that men and women have all the same traits?
Should humans stop using tools? She humans only be allowed to use our hands to manipulate objects? Our BRAINS are part of nature. Our BRAINS allow us to CHOOSE how we're going to live and what decisions we make. There is no biological law that dictates what we must do except eating and sleeping. We also have a biological urge to procreate but we use our BRAINS to choose when, where, and how.
Are you familiar with yin and yang? Positive and negative? Do you understand the concept of balance?
Imbalance in the human species causes strife and suffering. When women started seeking equality it was a response to their suffering. You didn't feel it because you aren't a woman and therefore it didn't affect you. The imbalance played to your benefit, but if it was truly okay, then they would have remained loyal to that established social order. Although feminism has some problems it is still a reaction to something. What you're trying to say here is that nothing's wrong and women are reacting against something that they were perfectly fine and dandy with.
Carter: But let's go with your lioness example. Are you saying men should sit on their ass at home and watch for burglars while the women do all the child rearing and bread winning? That would be sweet, I'm down for that.
Lions don't live in houses with security alarms, police stations, public assistance for hungry lions, etc. We use our BRAINS and work together so that we don't have the same problems as lions, tigers, and bears... oh my.
Carter: I also would like to know how women haven't invented "weapons that negate physical strength" to rise up against their oppressors and demand their "rightful place". Could it be they don't analyze the same way? Could it be they are more timid? Could it be they were just comfortable already? Oh no, misogyny!
Or... they are smart enough not to reinvent the wheel. Staphanie Kwolek invented kevlar. Why didn't a man invent that? Could it be that men are foolish and suicidal? Or could it be that they just like killing each other so much that they didn't want to waste time protecting themselves from their own weapons? This is a stupid argument meant to expose your illogical reasoning. Black people didn't invent a new weapon to rise up and kill all the white people who wanted to enslave us. Some of us had to fight but others utilized other tools. Fighting and physical force isn't the only solution. Use your BRAIN. Why would you fight against men when women cannot reproduce by themselves? That would be the dumbest war ever. So they had to fight by using the BRAINS. And if men's brains were more agile on the whole it wouldn't take so long to make equality a reality.
Carter: Women "turn lesbian" because they already had an abundance of masculinity and were combative towards men, men with their shit together stayed far away, so she blames men instead of herself, with the help of the media.
Another terrible line of reasoning. It should be obvious that not all lesbians are "butch". Have you ever met a lesbian before? Geez.
Carter: Ok, this is where you don't understand authority. Authority leads people towards necessity, not lining their pockets with blood money and market enslavement as the capitalists do. A functional authority knows when to use it, why to use it, and how far to take it. If a woman acts passive aggressive with you, you don't respond by dunking their head in the toilet and kidney punching them 50 times, that produces terror and rebellion.
Authority has nothing to do with gender. Plenty of single mothers take on the responsibility of raising their children WHO THEY HAVE AUTHORITY OVER and those children can be just as healthy and successful as any other. You're confusing authority,gender, and domination.
Carter: If your woman is about to do something that's gonna seriously injure herself, do you force her to stop? That's authority.
I will have to concede that I know less than you on this particular thing because I don't mess with women who would do that. It sounds like you have experience with immature women who act more like little girls. I'm over 40. I don't have time for that. That's not a queen. That's a child and I'm not a child molester. Nor do I seek women out who need control because they are so out of control that they are a danger to themselves. And women... do not need to be dealing with men who act like boys. Jails and prisons are full of immature men who have acted out of control. My GF told me about a guy in Florida that couldn't take being told no by a woman he wanted to dance with and so he shot her on the way to her car. So you can't judge immature women as if they represent their gender without taking the same responsibility as a man for your gender.
Carter: Men also don't want to be in submission to women.
It sounds like you're the one under the sway of propaganda. Who said women wanted to make you submissive? That's not what equality means. And there are PLENTY OF MEN who are submissive and a whole alternative lifestyle fetish around men
who love being dominated by women. However, that's not what equality means. If you have 2 partners in a business one may lead on some things (where they have more knowledge and expertise) while the other leads on other things and they both agree together on how to proceed. That's a partnership of equals. I'm not saying men are or should be inferior. Is a male penguin inferior when he keeps the egg warm? No. He's a penguin.
Carter: Why are you acting like Babylon will never fall? It's hanging on by a tiny thread. What happens when we are pushed into a primal state?
But why would it ever fall if its led by superior males?
Dude.. people been waiting, thinking society will fail for literally 2,000 years. Do you remember 20 years ago? I do. I remember when people thought the end was fast approaching and prophecy was being fulfilled and the sky was falling and computers would crash from Y2K and Jesus would appear in the clouds and we would need seeds and raincoats and iodine pills for the radiation. I knew someone who wasted money on that stuff and I laughed. All of it went to waste.
The biggest threat to society are people who want to go to heaven because they have the motive to destroy society so that they can be "saved" from it. But society is increasing losing its religious side and more people are becoming atheists and agnostics. Without heaven, the focus is on earth and solving our problems rather than waiting to be saved from ourselves. So no, it's not going to fall. It's a self-correcting system that will continue to be reformed and refined until there is peace and harmony.
Rome fell. Italy still exists. Pause and think on these things.
Carter: As for your relationship, if she's leading and her expectations are functional, it's a functional relationship. But that would be the exception to the rule when I was careful to clarify MOST women, and when I say that I mean individuals with low testosterone and an abundance of estrogen. Hormones affect instincts. This is a fact.
In my current personal relationship my lady wants and expects me to lead. However, she also makes a LOT of suggestions lol. She simply counts on me to make the decision mainly because she wants to make me happy. But what I want is to make us both happy. So therefore, I'm not dominating her for my own selfish gain but rather working together with her to meet both our needs. But we offer each other correction and value each other's opinion. My previous wife needed to have too much control because she lost faith. And many women lose faith not only because of decisions they don't agree with but based on triggers from past relationships. She's had to lead. And she's also a leader in her career path. Now she is the Vice President of a company. What matters in leadership is not ones gender but whether or not one is QUALIFIED. And when I tell me woman that I want us to be equal part of her resists because this is how society socializes women to be. They think it makes us happy and so therefore they are accommodating. But if they don't like where you're going they wont follow you. And if they do they're foolish.
Carter: I would debunk more, but I haven't researched stuff like "matriarchal" societies, but would I be wrong to presume they still had men doing the manly stuff? And if not, did their civilization even survive?
The assumption that matriarchal societies are the opposite of patriarchal is actually wrong. Matriarchal societies are generally more equal. There are some cultures where the wealth is passed to the female and where women can have multiple husbands. The assumption that you need men to survive really isn't true. You need men to reproduce just like men need women. But there are societies with women hunters, warriors, etc. And if you understand certain concepts going back to ancient times, you'll see that there was a divergence between hunters vs agricultural society. Do you think women can't farm? LOL. Women are over 40% of the agricultural labor force.
http://www.fao.org/gender/resources/infographics/the-female-face-of-farming/en/
So if they get the food, cook the food, make the clothes, the cooking tools, and build tents, then what is so important about your role again? They don't need you to open jars if they don't have jars. They don't need you to reach high shelves if they don't build high shelves. I'm not saying men aren't generally important. The point is that societies can evolve along different paths based on different needs. Based on need gender roles aren't necessarily valuable.
Women, in many places, simply got type cast as a mother because of the menstrual and birthing cycle. But a woman can produce 1 or 2 children and maintain the population with less than 3 years. This could (biologically) be done even before they're old enough to drink. So why try to dictate the rest of their lives based on such a small minded view of what they're "good for"? What are you really good for?
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