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Messenger: the rock Sent: 1/15/2004 7:27:04 PM
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Come we go reasoning now.. This is all true.. come on men and women we know that we are physical .. we are physical. Stand here and we can preach a sermon. Lets teach a sermon .. each on is teaching one right now. Iman is Adam in scientific terms, every piece of I body can be broken down to the pieces that make the universe, but we did not give birth to ourselves. InI's oneness is locked behind so many false doctrins like Peter Tosh said .. they tellin the Kids that a Cow can jump over a moon.. no joke. And they say I's High... but I am High above the madness..you know. Its good and blessed that we can now even speak these truths out loud or even type freely without being crusified. so let InI not crusify one another..... Said brothren is a mystic said some brothren is a doctor, some brothren study the math, etc.. etc... that make a nation said by Jah. Yes man God is a Man.. made in the image of its creator make it InI, hatred is not the thing that I see anyone in here pushing, its all truth.. say if we drink too fast cus we all thirsty we just gonna spit it back up. .. But hold tight man.. hold tight.. Jah proficy being fulfilled even now. Free ears hear the truth. Enlightment is fully obtainable when we stop trying to control... see the thing for what it is and work in harmony... Yes man reason on. to crusify this thing is impossible said by the Most High Jah Rasta farI the first.
Sonone22
The Rock


Messenger: ijah Sent: 1/15/2004 7:52:49 PM
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Still InI think ye are a bit mixed up

ijah


Messenger: the rock Sent: 1/15/2004 8:46:32 PM
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yes....it is all a mixed thing...do you have the answer to it..


Messenger: Nefertiti Sent: 1/15/2004 8:47:00 PM
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JAH RASTA FAR I....Blessed Love Brethern and sistren..

What Jah created is not evil...NATURE.

what man (in flesh separate from Jah)creates with the resources that Jah created, now that is what makes evil. PRIDE-VANITY-AND- GREED these are the things that promote evilness.

consider the laws that man makes......those same laws that desires to add to Jah perfection...make evilness

Jah created life.....Cain took it......

Site the ancients who chosen by Jah and still they do evil......JAH has mercy....Jah mercy cause as like a parent, Jah knows trhe power of jah creation come from JAH. Man does not have mercy only thru Jah....

MAN alone separated from nature is evil.....NOT just physical --spiritual

Consider this parallel xtreme
......living in the city
......living in the bush

With nothing...Which place would one live purely, wholly, without greed, pride and vanity ?

INI know the ones are all reasoning for INI overstanding.....IN LOVE brehterns and IN love sistrens and LOVE LOVE LOVE....

Haile I Selassie I


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/15/2004 10:25:50 PM
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Greetings,

I blaze fire with no partiality. If a thought come to I mind that I don't approve of, I blaze Fire on that. If an action come forth from Iself that I don't approve of, I blaze Fire on that. Only Jah and Iself know all my thoughts, so it is I duty to blaze Fire on any thought that I don't approve of.

By blazing Fire I have erased many things within Iself that I no longer desired to be there. And I have more Fire to blaze. When I sight the livity of Haile Selassie I, he lives upright and in Jah way. When I sight the livity of Jesus Christ, he lives upright and in Jah way. They didn't deal with wickedness and say that it is perfect, so I will not call it so. I will Itinue to blaze Fire until I am One.

Jonas, the I said about Ijah and I words,
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that mean that Jah is not always one with our minds, but that he can become one with our minds if we choose correctly to follow his guidance, which is our choice to choose.
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That is not how I would say it. Jah is always One. It is we that are not always One. When we live contrary, we are not One with Jah. When we live by Jah direction, then I and I will become One. If Jah is One, how can we do something that he speak against and say that we are One. To be One with Jah, we must go to Jah, and live by Jah example. We cannot expect Jah to come to us, to join with us, because Jah will never change his ways to something lower, I and I must go to HIM.

In an earlier post, I showed the I what Selassie I said:
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Whatever the task may be, man may begin it but he cannot complete it, unless God sustains and supports him.
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So I will agree that Hitler couldn't do what he did unless Jah let him do it. But the choice to do what he did was his own, not Jah. And the way I sight it, Jah let him do it because that is how Jah deals with Creation. He lets people make their choice and do what they do. Jah only interferes on occasion, to help his anointed to guide them away from wickedness, or to destroy wickedness when it becomes extreme. But for the most part, Jah let things happen. Jah made Creation to take care of itself and restore balance, so Jah let it be so.

Jonas, the I also said,
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Don't I and I see terrible things every day and ask the Father how he is allowing these things to happen?
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Jesus Christ showed I and I something to make us Iverstand why bad things can happen to people even though they are not the most wicked in the world.

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Luke 13
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Repent isn't about asking forgiveness, it means to turn away from wickedness. So Christ was showing I and I that even if we are not the worse sinners, as long as we are sinners and separate from Jah, these things can happen to us. And the reason for this is that if we reject Jah, then Jah will let us be our own defence, because we have rejected his defence.

Haile Selassie I explains this further, I posted this earlier but I will post it again:

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However wise or however mighty a person may be, he is like a ship without a rudder if he is without God. A rudderless ship is at the mercy of the waves and the wind, drifts wherever they take it and if there arises a whirlwind it is smashed against the rocks and becomes as if it has never existed. It is our firm belief that a soul without Christ is bound to meet with no better fate.
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So if I and I repent and live for Jah, and accept his guidance and direction, then Jah will be our rudder. So just like a rudder guides a ship through the sea, when I and I accept Jah, Jah will guide I and I through this world. So when the waves come, which is the bad things that happen in the world, I and I will not be moved. Jah will keep I and I steady and will take I and I out of the waves.

Jah is I Strength and Shield,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/16/2004 12:22:46 PM
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Well, as usual I love most of the things that the congregation have to say. I love the style of reasoning and conscious vibes. As Rock say these things must bring forth the truth. As Rock rightly say nothing cannot get crucify here. When I mentioned crucify is to say that sometimes people hear true things and build a cross in their minds, thinking that the cross will destroy the statement. But then the cross itself will be destroyed when the statement is seen to be true. Truth must prevail.
Also, the only thing that can prevail is truth.
Brethren, we must know that our minds are not completely knowledgable and free from ignorance. That mean that some things we think we see is illusion and some things is reality. When we put a fire under everything that we see, then the illusion will disappear and the reality will still be there, because no fire cannot burn out reality.

My training in Babylon has been so terrible that today, even after years of trodding in the fire way, I man still see so much illusion everywhere (illusion in my mind - false traditions). But I hold strong to the things I know and that way, even though my mind see illusion everywhere, I will still act wisely and still know the truth.
My faith is a rock, and illusion is like waves. But actually faith is a part of me, so I cannot be removed from that rock. And illusion is illusion - what more can I say to show how powerless it is to move me. I hope that the brethren feel the same way.
When we get the overstanding we will see all things, all the explanations of everything.

About this topic: Do the congregation actually perceive that there are evil things in the world, things that are unjust totally? How can these things exist in Jah creation?
Do the brethren see that any other than Jah can create things, or do the brethren see that Jah creates harmful things sometimes? If the brethren see harmful, evil things in creation then those is the only two possible explainations I see.
Peace brethren. Leh we give thanks for the congregation and the fire, and most of all for the truth that must reveal.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/16/2004 2:28:40 PM
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Greetings,

Jonas, the I said,
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And illusion is illusion - what more can I say to show how powerless it is to move me. I hope that the brethren feel the same way.
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Those are lovely words Jonas, it remind I of what I always tell people about Faith. If I and I have Faith in Jah that illusion cannot move I and I, then there is no way that it will move I and I, it is impossible. But if we have faith that illusion will move us, then no matter how hard we try to resist, we will always be moved, it is impossible to resist.

This is the power of Faith, we can make ourselves weak through lack of Faith. And I and I can make Iselves strong through Faith in Jah.

Here is the link to I post about Faith,

Faith

Blessings and Love,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: the rock Sent: 1/16/2004 3:37:27 PM
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good reasoning


Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/17/2004 12:46:03 PM
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I meditate more about this reasoning that going on. It is really good to be able to take a whole day and more to come with a response, so that more thought can go into it.

I am coming to see what the I them is saying that a man mind might go different from Jah. The I them is talking about illusion and folly when it enter a man mind. When I know, then that is Jah, but when I believe, then that is not Jah. As Nefertiti show the other day that word "believe" have lie in the middle. As we know Jah don't lie, so believe is not from him. So when men believe, that is when they are not one with Jah in their mind.
The whole thing I am still focusing on is that I man don't believe, I only know. What I know I know, and what I don't know then I do not know that. Belief don't come in. So really is the same thing I say again, that I am one with Jah, because I only know. Knowledge come from Jah, and belief come from folly. And I don't deal with belief. So that mean I don't deal with folly. As belief is what make a man not one with the Father that show again I am one with Him, because I don't deal with belief. Fire will deal with belief, I don't deal with that.
How the brethren see this one?


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/17/2004 3:14:22 PM
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Greetings,

Jonas, does the I ever do anything contrary to Jah, or think anything contrary to Jah, according to what Jah show I and I as right and wrong.

If the I is ever contrary, then I would say at these time the I is not One. But if the I is always living according to Jah way, in mind and in actions, then the I is always One.

Jah Bless,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


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