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Messenger: speaks from the chalice Sent: 2/16/2019 8:46:29 PM

People should stand for each other. Not something. By that I mean treat the fucking human race equally and stop all this stupid sniping with each other. To me, if there's something hard about that for someone to even consider - then I dont think there's much hope uniting with any nagging doubts of skin colour of the race we all come from?. *puts some Amnesia Haze in my chalice*

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/17/2019 1:32:11 AM

Or some Purple Haze (Owsley 1967) if ya really want to see some skin colors to get excited about!


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/17/2019 2:15:08 AM

Again, Haile Selassie stood for the freedom of Africa from the effects of colonisation among many other things he helped aid the Guerrilla-Warfare training of many African leaders and their Armies including Nelson Mandela. This selfless standing for a cause is one of the most admirable things I sight in the King

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/17/2019 2:57:56 AM

"Wise men have always known the deep and pervading truth that it is better to give than to receive, for even as it conflicts with selfish and ambitious desires, it moderates and controls them.

Giving always demands sacrifice. To overcome the temptation to enjoy mere daily comfort, to press resolutely and patiently forward on the scheduled way, are true tests of the high degree of determination that should bind you together. Memories of past injustices should not divert us from the more pressing business at hand.

We must live in peace with our former colonizers, shunning recrimination and bitterness and fore-swearing the luxury of vengeance and retaliation, lest the acid of hatred erode our souls and poison our hearts.

Let us act as befits the dignity which we claim for ourselves as Africans, proud of our own special qualities, distinctions, and abilities. We must speak out on major issues, courageously, openly and honestly, and in blunt terms of right and wrong.

If we yield to blandishments or threats, if we compromise when no honourable compromise is possible, our influence will be sadly diminished and our prestige woefully prejudiced and weakened.

On this day which men of earth and angels of heaven could neither have foreseen nor known, I give thanks unutterable by the mouth of man to the living God who has enabled me to be present among you.

Today is the beginning of a new era in the history of Ethiopia. Since this is so, do not reward evil for evil, do not commit any act of cruelty like those which the enemy committed against us. Do not allow the enemy any occasion to foul the good name of Ethiopia.

We shall take his weapons and make him return by the way he came.

We believe in cooperation and collaboration to promote the cause of international security, the equality of man and the welfare of mankind.

We believe in the peaceful settlement of all disputes without resorting to force.

And in accordance with the charter of O.A.U. we will strive to eradicate colonialism, racism and apartheid from the face of the earth, to frustrate the efforts being made by foreign powers to dictate the destiny of the African continent, and we will continue to stand."

-Haile Selassie I

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/17/2019 6:21:21 AM

This is indeed a momentous and historic day for Africa and for all Africans. We stand today on the stage of world affairs before the audience of world opinion. We have come together to assert our role in the direction of world affairs and to discharge our duty to the great continent whose 250 million people we lead. Africa is today at midcourse, in transition from the Africa of Yesterday to the Africa of Tomorrow. Even as we stand here, we move from the past into the future. The task on which we have embarked, the making of Africa, will not wait. We must act, to shape and mould the future and leave our imprint on events as they slip past into history.

We seek, at this meeting, to determine whither we are go and to chart the course of our destiny. It is no less important that we know whence we came. An awareness of our past is essential to the establishment of our personality and our identity as Africans.

The nations of Africa, as is true of every continent of the world, from time to time dispute among themselves. These quarrels must be confined to this continent and quarantined from the contamination of non-African interference. Permanent arrangements must be agreed upon to assist in the peaceful settlement of these disagreements which, however few they may be, cannot be left to languish and fester. Procedures must be established for the peaceful settlement of disputes, in order that the threat or use of force may no longer endanger the peace of our continent.

Steps must be taken to establish an African defence system. Military planning for the security of this continent must be undertaken in common within a collective framework. The responsibility for protecting this continent from armed attacks from abroad is the primary concern of Africans themselves. Provision must be made for the extension of speedy and effective assistance when any African State is threatened with military aggression. We cannot rely solely on international morality. Africa’s control over her own affairs is dependent on the existence of appropriate military arrangements to assure this continent’s protection against such threats While guarding our own independence.

- Haile Selassie.


Re: the military strengthening of the continent from attacks from abroad and freedom from colonisation...

The man who taught Mandela to be a soldierBy Penny DaleBBC Africa, Addis Ababa

General Tadesse Birru gave a pistol to Nelson Mandela as he returned to South Africa

In July 1962, Col Fekadu Wakene taught South African political activist Nelson Mandela the tricks of guerrilla warfare - including how to plant explosives before slipping quietly away into the night.

Mr Mandela was in Ethiopia, learning how to be the commander-in-chief of Umkhonto we Sizwe - the armed wing of the African National Congress (ANC).

The group had announced its arrival at the end of 1961 by blowing-up electricity pylons in various places in South Africa.

Sometimes we had to restrain him a bit for safety reasons”

Then on 11 January 1962, Mr Mandela had secretly, and illegally, slipped out of South Africa.

His mission was to meet as many African political leaders as possible and garner assistance for the ANC, including money and training for its military wing.

And to be moulded into a soldier himself.

During this trip, he visited Ethiopia twice and left a deep impression on those who met him during his stay in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa.

"Nelson Mandela was a very strong and resilient student, and he took instruction well and was really very likeable," Col Fekadu said.

"You couldn't help but love him."

Col Fekadu said Mr Mandela was a good student

Col Fekadu was a corporal when he trained Mr Mandela. He was a member of a specialist police force - the riot battalion - based in the suburbs of Kolfe, in barracks which are still used today.

He remembers a "happy, cheerful person" who "concentrated on the task in hand".

"He was polite, always happy and you never saw him lose his temper," he said.

"He laughed easily and made others laugh as well."

Col Fekadu says he was responsible for training Mr Mandela in sabotage and demolitions and how to stage hit-and-run attacks.

The day's theory lessons were put into practice during night-time exercises.

Mr Mandela was a good student, hardworking and physically strong - but sometimes too robust and too enthusiastic for his own good, the colonel recalls.

"Physically he was very strong and well-built. But sometimes during the training he would get ahead of himself.

Nelson Mandela also visited Tanzania in 1962, staying with the late minister Nsilo Swai, whose wife, Vicky Nsilo Swai, told the BBC about his left luggage:

"On the day Mandela was leaving, he had to leave behind a suitcase because he had too much luggage. In the suitcase was a pair of brown, leather boots. My husband and I ended up keeping them for 33 years.

After my husband retired from politics, we moved from Dar es Salaam to Moshi, near to Kilimanjaro - and the boots came with us.

Then, my husband got a job with the United Nations so the boots lived in New York for 15 years.

I kept them in our bedroom in a cupboard. I never polished them, I never cleaned them but I put newspaper in them to keep them firm.

The boots are very strong and the leather is excellent - and when I took them back to Mr Mandela in 1995 they were really like new.

The boots still fitted Mr Mandela and he joked that 'these boots have travelled more than myself'.

A lot of people are surprised why I kept the boots for so long. But I really wanted a man who I saw so dedicated to his country to have a memory of these boots."

"And while his intentions were good, that could also be dangerous, and sometimes we had to restrain him a bit for safety reasons."

Col Fekadu had been told to train Mr Mandela by his commanding officer, General Tadesse Birru, the assistant police commissioner who had played a key role in crushing an attempt at the end of 1960 to overthrow Emperor Haile Selassie. He was later executed by the Derg regime of Mengistu Haile Mariam.

Back in 1962, Col Fekadu did not realise the significance of the South African politician he had been instructed to turn into a soldier.

"All we knew was that he was our guest from abroad and that he would spend some time with us," he said.

"Everything was kept very secret. We were kept in the dark."

Mr Mandela was in Ethiopia at the invitation of the emperor, an ardent supporter of Africa's decolonisation and African unity.

At the time, Ethiopia had one of the strongest armed forces on the continent.

Its troops were part of the UN peacekeeping operation during the Congo crisis in 1960 and a decade earlier Ethiopian soldiers had fought in the Korean war.

And the emperor had invited many other African liberation struggle fighters to be trained on Ethiopian soil.

As well as learning how to commit acts of sabotage, Mr Mandela's military training also included briefings on military science, how to run an army and how to use a gun.

He was also taken on long treks carrying his knapsack, rifle and ammunition.

This was one of Mr Mandela's favourite activities during his military training, and he writes about it with affection in his Long Walk to Freedom autobiography: "During these marches I got a sense of the landscape, which was very beautiful... people used wooden ploughs and lived on a very simple diet supplemented by home-brewed beer. Their existence was similar to the life in rural South Africa."

He would do squats and jumping jacks. He followed that exercise routine religiously every morning”

Mr Mandela's presence in Addis Ababa was supposed to be top secret. But physically he stood out.

He was much taller and broader than most of the police cadets.

And, as well as going on fatigue marches through the countryside, he would exercise out in the open in the grounds of the barracks.

One person who took a particular interest in the tall stranger in his midst was Tesfaye Abebe, who was working in Kolfe as the head of the battalion's music and drama department.

He recalls Mr Mandela running around a big field in the compound - which today doubles up as a running track and a parade ground.

"He would do squats and jumping jacks. He followed that exercise routine religiously every morning."

A curious Mr Tesfaye snatched conversations with Mr Mandela when he and his trainer came into the canteen for lunch.

"Security was quite tight and we weren't really allowed to approach him."

But, he says, Mr Mandela was "very friendly and talkative" and explained apartheid to him and how the ANC intended to fight it with guerrilla warfare and political activism.

On a couple of occasions, the police band - in which Mr Tesfaye was the pianist - played for Mr Mandela in the officer's club.

"He really enjoyed that. He was really happy when we played for him."

Mr Mandela's military training in Ethiopia was supposed to last six months - but after only two weeks he was called back to South Africa by the ANC.

He had already spent seven months out of the country - and he was needed back home.

As Mr Mandela left Ethiopia, Gen Tadesse presented him with a pistol and 200 rounds of ammunition - a gun that is thought to be buried somewhere on Lillesleaf Farm, where in 1963 other ANC leaders were arrested and sentenced to life alongside Mr Mandela in the famous Rivionia trial.

Mr Mandela himself had been arrested on 5 August 1962 - for leaving the country illegally, shortly after his return from his trip around Africa - and still in the military fatigues in which he had been trained in Ethiopia.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/17/2019 6:25:35 AM

Of course His Majesty wished for peace.
But he also prepared for military action.

He was unrelenting in his STANCE for the freedom independence and redemption of Africa

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/18/2019 9:30:38 AM

Haile Selassie understood personally how sickening and inhumane war really is, and so H.I.M. (as with other Righteous men who've had real life experience with the violence & human tragedy of armed conflict) did not lust after violence nor military action, did not lust after the spilling of blood, did not lust after revenge. H.I.M. was obsessed with peace (also not uncommon for people who understand what war really looks like) and hoped with deep conviction that the UN members could really live up to the UN Charter.

"We must live in peace with our former colonizers, shunning recrimination and bitterness and fore-swearing the luxury of vengeance and retaliation, lest the acid of hatred erode our souls and poison our hearts."- Haile Selassie I

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/18/2019 9:36:00 AM

What is wrong with your comprehension?

Jumpy like jumper cable

You smarter than that....

I claimed Haile Selassie stood for the freedom and liberation of Africa by any means. And made specific mention to the fact that "OF COURSE he wished for peace" where possible....But prepared for the possibility of war after giving evidence of such.

And you gone and jump into talk about LUST of war? Lust??? You got lust from my statement? Lol

Stick a pin....

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/18/2019 9:41:47 AM

Read what I wrote again. I said that H.I.M. "did NOT LUST after violence NOR military action, did NOT lust after the spilling of blood, did NOT lust after revenge."

I was saying that He did NOT have any lust for war. Is there something wrong with saying that?

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/18/2019 9:42:23 AM

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