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Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/25/2019 1:10:42 PM

CarterBlunt: "According to my half-assed research...."

I love your self-deprecating candor. It's refreshing. Thanks for that.

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/26/2019 9:22:41 AM

Dr. Jonathan M. Marks, Professor of Anthropology, University of North Carolina:

"In anthropology we talk about clinal variation. Cline is a term that was devised by the biologist Julian Huxley to represent a geographical gradient in a particular trait across a species. So if you've got a broadly distributed species that has a particular form, whether it's body shape or color - let's say in the north it looks different from the south but they're the same species - you can't really draw a line and say there's two kinds of frogs that have this or that particular form. Instead, the variation is gradual and continuous. What Huxley argued is that we should talk not about discrete racial variation, but about gradual clinal variation. And about 30 years after Huxley proposed the term clines, anthropologists came to recognize that pretty much all variation in the human species is clinal - that is to say, continuous and gradual across geography, and not discrete, not racial. When anthropologist Frank Livingston wrote in the early 1960s 'There are no races, there are only clines,' what he was doing was summarizing epigrammatically what anthropologists had come to realize since about World War II, with the work of Ashley Montagu: that the human species simply doesn't come patterned the way we thought it came patterned [e.g. black or white], and that the way we were thinking about natural patterns of human variation was really topsy-turvy."

So as related to the topic of this thread: "May White Men Be Rastafari?"-- Since there is no anthropologically-defined/-accepted colorimetric range for "white" skin or "white people"***, RastafarI are simply stuck (or Blessed) with Haile Selassie's assertion that "Human beings are precisely the same whatever colour, race, creed or national origin they may be". Or by default we could use Bob Marley's position that: "Me deh pon God's side" and assume that RastafarI is about spirituality and one's heart, not about physical appearances.

***Okay, the Nazis may have actually come up with such a measure of "whiteness", but if so it has not been adopted by the academic/scientific community as a valid classification system.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/26/2019 9:40:18 AM

Race is simply a group of people based upon common history and or geography and or culture and or native language

Genetics / DNA isn't even mentioned in many definitions of race and when it is is but one small tenant of such.

By this, races 100% clearly exist. Although 'black' and 'white' may be false. Which I have acknowledged in previous posts. Or rather, BIOLOGICAL race- it is THIS that anthropologists and other scientists today refute. But Chromosomal race or geographical race etc do exist and are not argued. Again I refer to the definition and each limb given...

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/26/2019 9:56:11 AM

American Journal of Anthropology 2016

Anthropologists' views on race, ancestry, and genetics

Jennifer K. Wagner, Joon‐;;;;Ho Yu, [...], and Charmaine D. Royal

Our data indicate there has been a “dramatic rejection” of race concepts among professional anthropologists regardless of subfield. We observed consensus that there are no human biological races and recognition that race exists but as lived social experiences that can have important effects on health. As such, anthropologists agree that it is important to understand the relationships among race, genetics, and health.

race2 acting to Oxford Dictionary


1Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.


‘people of all races, colours, and creeds’

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1.1mass noun The fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this.

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1.2 A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.

‘we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then’

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1.3 A group or set of people or things with a common feature or features.

‘the upper classes thought of themselves as a race apart’

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1.4Biology A population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.

‘people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct’

(Reminder that it is only this form of BIOLOGICAL race which is disputed)

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1.5 (in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.

‘a member of the human race’

‘the race of birds’

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1.6literary A group of people descended from a common ancestor.

‘a prince of the race of Solomon’

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1.7archaic mass noun Ancestry.

‘two coursers of ethereal race’

race As defined by Merriam Webster

 noun (2)

Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)

1: a breeding stock of animals

2a: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock

b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

3a: an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a speciesalso : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group


c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

The take home point is that biological race is but one small part of a multitude of definitions for race. Many of which may be social constructs or geographical etc More than just biological; and in which are undeniable and accepted among anthropologists. It is only biological subspecies of race which some scientists argue against but the whole field of Anthropology is based around ethnic and cultural differences

Messenger: speaks from the chalice Sent: 2/28/2019 6:32:40 AM

it's kind of hard to bullshit his majestys teachings G.A.. unless you think you're better ?

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 2/28/2019 6:46:36 AM

I've noticed that when Haile Selassie's utterances become problematic because of they are in conflict with other hardcore agendas, some people merely retain His Majesty's Name & Image like a banner (or poster), while discarding His Teachings & exhortations as being superfluous and/or irrelevant.

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/1/2019 6:38:41 AM

May White Men Be Rastafari?

There's really no such thing as a "white" when it comes to Rasta except in the mentality of those who would prefer to retain the traditional arbitrary classification of humans along skin pigmentation lines which has produced so much bigotry, mistreatment and misery throughout human history. Emperor Haile Selassie I told us: "I must say that black and white, as forms of speech, and as a means of judging mankind, should be eliminated from human society. Human beings are precisely the same whatever colour, race, creed or national origin they may be." Hence, H.I.M. articulated a desire to see the historically problematic terminology of "white" and "black" in reference to humans eliminated.

From the scientific standpoint, the only actual "white" person is one who has had Vitiligo cover their entire body [Note: Vitiligo (idiopathic leukoderma) is a condition in which the skin pigment melanin is lost from areas of otherwise normal skin]. Normal skin color presents itself as a gradient (or cline) along which skin pigmentation among human beings ranges from little pigmentation to much pigmentation.

Human skin pigmentation is actually the product of two clines produced by natural selection to adjust levels of constitutive pigmentation to levels of UV radiation (UVR). One cline was generated by high UVR near the equator and led to the evolution of dark, photoprotective, eumelanin-rich pigmentation. The other was produced by the requirement for ultraviolet B-rays (UVB) photons to sustain cutaneous photosynthesis of vitamin D3 in low-UVB environments, and resulted in the evolution of less pigmented skin. As hominins dispersed outside of the tropics, they experienced different intensities and seasonal mixtures of UVA and UVB.

Inasmuch as ANY human being can receive and embrace the message of Truth that H.I.M. Haile Selassie I is the Living God, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah; then ANY human being (even a "white" one affected by full-body Vitiligo) can be a Rasta regardless of where their skin color falls on the skin pigmentation cline.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/1/2019 7:16:06 AM

Messenger: speaks from the chaliceSent: 2/28/2019 11:32:40 AM
it's kind of hard to bullshit his majestys teachings G.A.. unless you think you're better ?

When a man has paid attention to nothing I have said.

Look but cannot see
Listen but cannot hear.

Nesta in the above post again fails to acknowledge the multifaceted definition of race and sticks to colourism.


There's nothing else to reason. This reasoning ended a week ago yet hear we are

*Listens to Bob Marley - BLACK progress and lights a incense*

Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 3/1/2019 7:41:43 AM

White skin privilege: when whites define the BLACK experience for us.

It’s done everyday in a multitude of ways. An old trick we know well.

It even rears it’s ugly head in RasTafari. White superiority robbed in red gold and green.

The irony is not missed by INI.

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/1/2019 10:20:16 AM

'White privilege' is a babylon lie. Been debunked 100%. You all know this.

The only irony here is that you cling to this fakeness while having the complete ability to do anything a white person does AND demand 'reparations' and special treatment.

When your best 'evidence' is the colour of bandaids, it really is just sad.

Lol its invisible and subliminal but EVERYWHERE all the time.

Any coloured person can claim a hate crime committed by a white person and have the privilege of not being able to be questioned about it. Keep pulling the race card and see how far it gets you.

The remedy: personal accountability

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