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Why do Rastafari bun fyah on Paul?

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Messenger: RAS-NATE-1995 Sent: 3/5/2014 5:52:34 PM
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Yes Eleazar;But it's not just the hair or the food or other external things that paul teach wich InI don't follow,but the Iritual is the most important in this thing,you see,and that's where Paul confuse the people with all type a stange teaching wich Christ said nothing about.So the question is really,who is Saul/Paul that we should hear his confusing teachings? only coz he inserted some wise things here and there don't mean his intention was righteous.Remember that the whole false Christianity is based on fooling people,so offcourse they have to insert some truth here and there...


Messenger: RAS-NATE-1995 Sent: 3/5/2014 6:08:22 PM
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And only becoz H.I.M. quoted some of paul's words,it doesn't mean Selassie I accept Paul and his teachings,but if you check it from an Ier point of view,you might see that His majesty was really telling the false christians that even the man whose teachings they prefer over Christ teachings spoke these things,to show them how ignorant and deaf and blind they choose to be...


Messenger: VoodooRuutz Sent: 3/5/2014 7:22:44 PM
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Paul taught some good things But his doctrine and theology about Jesus and the law and prophets is of he own agenda. Why should Ifrican ppl head he words when he ain write one letter to InI? Who cud Rev2:2 to Ephesus be about besides Paul, he went deh wrote a letter to dem and its in Asia and in Acts21:27 and 2Tim1:15 it sat all Asia turn way from him so Iman say its about Paul and he crew. Check he vision it not sho if Ananias or Jesus told him he mission. If ones wan blee Paul an he vision then it no diff den Joseph Smith and he vision an he new doctrine, jus cuz smody say dey had vision dont make it true.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/5/2014 7:33:29 PM
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Good point, why would we Africans care about a letter he wrote to the corinthians? And other foreign churches.

Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon

No Iah. Not For I

Give me the Book of Coming Forth by Day.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 3/5/2014 8:10:07 PM
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The word apostle means Paul, regardless what people say it means now, what it really means is Paul. The Greek name for Paul is Apostolos, and that is where the word apostle is derived from.

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From the reasoning
Romans 7 and 8

Here is a reasoning related to those Scriptures. It shows other scriptures of Paul that better explain what he is saying, showing that he is saying the same thing that Khamyl just said. Many don't like to think about the part I am going to show, because it goes against their philosophy of "acceptable wickedness" and being "saved by Jesus". But before I show the part about Paul, I will speak from the Christian Source, Christ.

I and I are to be One with Jah and One with Christ, not separate. But people would prefer to listen to the preacherman, or apostles, over the words of Christ. The sacrifice of Christ, was that he taught I and I Jah way, because he knew that he would have to sacrifice his body to teach I and I this, because he knew that babylon would crucify him for teaching the truth to the people. But he still showed I and I, he sacrificed himself for this. So when people forget his words and teachings, it is a disrespect to the sacrifice Christ gave in order to show I and I these words.

Christ said,
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is not a request, and Christ didn't say try to be so, but he said Be ye therefore perfect. And for people that think that the perfection is something less than this or that, Christ showed them, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. So this kind of perfection is the highest form of perfection there is.

The apostle Paul in some ways misleads the people by confusing them. Maybe he was trying to hide the truth so that only some will see, or maybe he was trying to mislead the people, and also inserting the truth, so the people could not speak against him. Only Jah knows this for sure, but the truth still can be seen in the words of Paul. The reason I say that his words are misleading is because he spends so much time sounding like he is saying that we are not required to live perfect, but are supposed to just repent and Christ will save us for our sins. And for only a couple of sentences he shows that the grace he is talking about doesn't make void the law (Law of Jah, not law of man), but the law is established.

Romans 3
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Some don't consider what he said above or the other things that he said to show the reality of righteousness, because they are so few in Paul's words. But some people do remember these words, but still don't require themselves to live in Jah way, they think that it will just happen one day when they die. But if people consider the words of Christ and read these words of Paul with Christ's teachings in mind, they will see the Truth. There is no law against righteousness, and if I and I are guided by Jah, then it is impossible to sin, so the law is of no effect for I and I. So by our choice, and the strength of Jah, I and I ways will be made perfect, because Jah will only guide I and I in perfection.

Galatians 5
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


I see this as saying when I and I walk in Jah Spirit, we will not sin


17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



So when I and I are led by the Spirit, I and I are not under the law because I and I are only walking in righteousness, because Jah Spirit would never guide I and I towards wickedness

Here are the works that are not of the Spirit. Laws do exist against these works, because they are sin


19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



The works of the flesh, which is called sin, include those things written above. It is not just the "big" sins like murder and others, but it also includes hatred, wrath, strife, envyings, drunkenness and revellings. So those that claim they are walking in the Spirit are only truly walking in the Spirit if they don't do these things. Otherwise, the most they could be doing is only partially walking in the Spirit.


Here are the fruits of the Spirit, which is called righteousness. No laws exist that are against these actions, so they are not under the law.


22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

So Christians have crucified the sinful part of theirself, and only walk in righteousness, because that is the only way Jah Spirit guides.


25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.





Selassie I also knew this, I have posted this before, but I will post it again.


When He sacrificed himself at Golgotha for the atonement of our sin, He prayed with His last breath for the forgiveness of those who had tortured Him saying, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'.

Shame on those of us who are Christians and do not follow the way of the Savior of the World, whose life was filled with kindness, humility, and martyrdom! If we lived by the laws he gave us and were worthy of being called Christian, peace would have reigned on this earth.

Men were supposed to be the equals of the living angels who unceasingly sang praises before the eternal God. Had this been so, peoples of the world would not have been divided along lines of enmity.



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False Rasta,,them still deceiving the mass

Gideon, you said,

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If anyone depends on works to save them they are putting their hopes in the law. It means that if they break the law even one time, even in the smallest sense, that they have no more hope of salvation, because they have broken the law in which they placed their hopes.
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That is not true, it shows in Ezekiel that if a person breaks the law, they need to repent of their ways and their wickedness will not be mentioned, but they will be remembered for their righteousness. So even those that are under the law have hope for salvation, this has always been so.

But I am not speaking about being under the law, I am speaking of the law being established. Those that sin are a slave to sin and are under the law, because there is a law against their actions. But for those that have faith, their faith in Jah will make their ways righteous, because they will listen to the voice of Jah when Jah directs them. So these are not under the law because no law exists that is against their actions because their actions are righteous.

You also said,

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And what if you have faith but not the knowledge? Then your actions will still be wrong.
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When I speak about faith, I see it as knowing that nothing is impossible for Jah and also trusting in Jah to guide I and I and provide I and I with what we need so that we have no want. So if a person has complete faith then it is impossible for them to do any wrong. It doesn't matter if they have no knowledge of certain things being right or wrong, if Jah speaks to them and they do as Jah directs, then they will not do any wrong, and their actions will lead to prosperity.

So I am not talking about trusting in works or depending on works or about works bringing salvation. I am talking about True and Complete Faith in Jah. How can someone have True, Complete Faith in the Most High and not listen when Jah speaks? If they don't listen to the Spirit of Truth that directs them in the path of Inity, then they are lacking in faith and they are also lacking trust in the Spirit of Jah. If they trusted Jah and had Faith in Jah, then they would heed to Jah direction.

Paul speaks about the importance of faith and grace but he also shows that when faith and grace is there, then righteousness is also there. And he shows that those that sin are a slave to sin and are not in the grace of Jah.

So again, as I have mentioned to the I many times in the past. I am not speaking about works being salvation. I am saying that what is on the inside must come out. So if there is faith, then the actions of the faithful must be seen, because that is something that comes from faith.
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Messenger: 1forTruth Sent: 3/5/2014 9:51:22 PM
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Bless up Ark 1,

InI dont want to stress the issue on hair cuz we know the truth. But what i am trying to stress, czu i see i wasnt clear in "pretty hair like woman" is hair like this.

http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=GO5&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=960&bih=446&tbm=isch&tbnid=IayUa1dcsgxRlM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgbgm-umc.org%2Fumw%2Fcorinthians%2Fhairstyles.stm&docid=dev4MP9gvwbMvM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgbgm-umc.org%2Fumw%2Fcorinthians%2Fwomen%2Fhairstyle2vr.jpg&w=238&h=246&ei=a-IXU9T8Leny0QG9ooHYAQ&zoom=1&ved=0CGcQhBwwBg&iact=rc&dur=1827&page=1&start=0&ndsp=9

But bless up Ark1

Peace and Love family, its good and healthy to reason


Messenger: MELCHEZIDEK Sent: 3/6/2014 4:03:55 AM
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Rasta don't bun fyah upon Paul. Rasta uses or does what Righteousness works Paul has done.

Acts 18:18
And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow .

Act 24:5
For we have found this man to be a trouble maker, stirring up riots among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the Sect of the Nazarenes



Those of us who need to know ourselves should read the message of St Paul in Corinthians, Chapter 4, verses one to six
-Haile Selassie I

We wish to recall to Our people what St. Paul said: “The night is far spent, the day is at hand; let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as the day.” The Ethiopian people are now conscious of their destiny and can strive to achieve their ideals
-Haile Selassie I

As Saint Paul said: "Where specific law exists, try according to the law, where there exists no code of law, try according to your conscience."
-Haile Selassie I

An elaboration of this is Paul's exposition in one of his Epistles which speak of love and faith. Without love all of our human efforts in the sight of God can be useless. He loved us and on our behalf He was given as a ransom, and it was because of love and His love for us that He accomplished the act of love.

The true church

-Haile Selassie I









Messenger: RasTafarIWork Sent: 3/6/2014 4:37:12 AM
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It is interesting to note that Paul was a dreadlocked nazarene.


Messenger: VoodooRuutz Sent: 3/6/2014 7:20:33 AM
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When one infiltrates a movement one must take on the characteristics of da movement so not to b known as a. Infiltraitor! Yes those sayings of Paul are right teachments. Paul is what he say he is the gentile( European/ GrecoRaman) apostle NOT AFRICAN/Hebrew apostle dats y all Jews in Asia and Jerusalem fyah bun him and not to purify. Paul was against Peter and James remember Gal2:11 he withstood Peter cauz he was the Blame and Peter and was i'tal dats y he make the statement weak ones eat herbs. One say how can one follow hail HIM and bun bible, HIM follow Jesus yet Jesus wasn't Christian and Jesus was strict Mosesite. And jesus taught who he taught and never tell dem he would send another apostle to dem thru vision he said all desciples must go thru dem and Paul rejected dey teachments.


Messenger: RAS-NATE-1995 Sent: 3/6/2014 1:01:00 PM
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Give thanks Voodoo Ruutz.Iman just can't overstand how someone who calls himself Rasta,can defend or admire Paul.The only explanation can be:misguidance and misunderstanding.History and the world would be better if Paul teachings neva existed.There is nothing useful in them that InI would'nt already have known without them,and all the rest is Paul's own misleading delusion.BUN pope Paul and BUN Rome.


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