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Socialism or capitalism or Monarchy?

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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/3/2014 1:59:14 PM
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obviously monarchy
with Selassie as the Head, creator.

but seeing as in this time the throne of Ethiopia has been exhalted to a spiritual throne or however you may see it, what ways of governance do ones think is best for the people? and why?

So monarchy is out because Jah run things and own everything as onto him anyway. So were talking about governance.....how a country or nation should run. How the resources are divided and such..... Please don't let the terminology put u off.

So how it go?

discuss


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/3/2014 2:06:44 PM
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I stand as a Garveyite Nkrumahist scientific SOCIALIST pan-African black nationalist Rastaman.

My stance.


Messenger: JahBuckihi Sent: 3/3/2014 2:58:00 PM
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limited momarchy, where there is a single ruler to lead the people, and at the same time the people have a say in what is going on ? natyral resouses to I should be overseen by goverment only, nad profits from them should go foward to resourses to provide basic needs for the people, health care, shelter, farming etc. every able body must do their part if they are going to reap the benifits of the things i listed earlier and more. what to do about lazy people who have means to work but dont...i dont know? I realy dont know how any of this will work, unless all greed in erased, cause theres always the person who want more more ans more. for xample doctor say " well my type of work is worth more that you over there washing windows " for things to work out all must do their works for the greater good and also the passion of whatever it is they do for their work.
all man should be equal in nessities of life, but in a case someone want more or to so called better them selves, they should be able to do just that , and not have to surender their earnings as long as their work was not of the blood of anothers back. using other people to gain wealth for one is not ok . if that is the case everyone involved must reap the bounty of the return profits , not scrap change.
Iman dont have much knowlege in political skeme of thimgs , and dont realy know what one would call the type of goverment that i spoke about, but this is a lil bit how ima feel'n. looking foward to dis here reasoning.

Haile I


Messenger: Sister Sent: 3/3/2014 4:01:34 PM
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Greetings, I feel inclined towards Socialism because, although the monarchy in theory would represent the God Head, there is in reality a tendancy to creation of a hierarchical society and division of wealth and power. Is it necessary to have a central focus? A religious or political leader?




Messenger: Sister Sent: 3/3/2014 4:03:13 PM
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Some theory...

From ‘ A theory of life’ (William Morris – writing from 1880s)
Socialism is a theory of life, taking for its starting point the evolution of society; or, let us say, of man as a social being. Since man has material necessities as an animal, society is founded on man’s attempts to satisfy those necessities; and Socialism or social consciousness points out to him the way of doing so which will interfere least with the development of his specially human capacities and the satisfaction of what I will call, for lack of a better word, his spiritual and mental necessities. ……..Socialism aims at realising equality of condition as its economical goal, and the habitual love of humanity as its rule of ethics. ……Socialism is to substitute the relation of persons to persons, for the relation of things to person. A man would no longer take his position as the dweller in such and such a place or the filler of such and such an office, or the owner of such and such property, but as being such and such a man. In such a state of Society laws of repression would be minimised and the whole body of law which now deals with things and their domination over persons would cease to exist. In a condition of personal equality, also, there could no longer be rivalry between those inhabiting different places. Nationality, except as a geographical or ethnological expression, would have no meaning. …………The land, factories, machinery, means of transit, and whatever wealth of any sort is used for the reproduction of wealth, and which therefore is necessary to labour can only be used by it, must be owned by the nation only, to be used by the workers (who will then include all honest men) according to their capacity……..

From ‘How we live and how we might live’.
The word revolution, which Socialists are often forced to use, has a terrible sound in most people’s ears, even when we have explained to them that it does not necessarily mean a change accompanied by riot and all kinds of violence, and cannot mean a change made mechanically and in the teeth of opinion by a group of men who has somehow managed to seize on the executive power for the moment…… So we will stick to our word, which means a change in the basis of society; it may frighten people, but it will at least warn them that there is something to be frightened about, which will be no less dangerous for being ignored; it also may encourage some people, and will mean to them at least not a fear, but hope. Fear and hope – these are the names of the two great passions which rule the race of man, and with which revolutionists have to deal; to give hope to the many oppressed and fear to the few oppressors, that is our business…..it is not revenge we want for poor people, but happiness; indeed, what revenge can be taken for all the thousands of years of sufferings of the poor? However, many of the oppressors of the poor, most of them, we will say, are not conscious of their being oppressors; they live in an orderly, quiet way themselves…they know that the poor exist, but their sufferings do not present themselves in a dramatic way; they themselves have troubles to bear, and they think doubtless that to bear trouble is the lot of humanity; nor have they the means of comparing the troubles of their lives with people lower in the social scale….



Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/3/2014 5:38:39 PM
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Socialism come like poison in the mouth of a western mindset. Propaganda has them frighten.

Great share Sister. Accurate.

Before anyone casts doubt on socialism from propaganda sources from pro capitalist and slavery campaigners or corrupted failed European examples of communism. Id study the likes of the revolutionaries. From Castro to Nkrumah, all of them. Scientific socialism is the division of the land and resources among the people for the needs of the people with it to be a crime for one to be without the basic provisions of life. Ones get full value for ones works. Socialism conquer imperialism and neocolonialism. Africa for the Africans at home and abroad!


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/3/2014 5:53:07 PM
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Levite I, wha unno say dis ?


Messenger: Levite I Sent: 3/3/2014 7:34:15 PM
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Garveys Afrika whappun fiyah king,
Mi nuh guh seh too much cah a su su dem a su su and moderhate but capitalism catch a fiyah right yah now, unsustainable anti-life shitstem of wickedness...a high and low places across demography a feel it now, nobody safe a peak tension time wi deh deh ina fi fiat money. Cyant support a ting weh inception come from the kidnap, trafficking, beating, FREE labour and enslavement of I ankhcestor dem.

InI dwell in a Theocracy perpetually Selassie I first. If nuh dat wi a live inna den a Sister i man concur with when she a greatly expounded pon Socialism.

Nkrumah a di general fi dat ideology.

So-shall

Empress Menen I Perfect Peace




Messenger: Ark I Sent: 3/3/2014 10:58:06 PM
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It really makes no difference when wicked people are involved, all forms of government will accomplish the same thing. The wicked will get richer and take more control.



Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 3/4/2014 1:12:05 PM
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^^That doesn't help Iah. I used to say the same but take for example: In the Kingdom.... In Zion..... In your homeland..... In Africa...... wherever it is. Once the wicked rulers have been disposed of. The question is what would be the best way to rule? How will the land and resources be divided? By which principle. I am not talking politics and partys here. Just strategy of uniting the needs and resources with the people.

Unless your saying....... if righteous people are behind it it will work whatever the strategy. And vice versa? Then that would be an interesting point...Although to carry this out in everyday practice would be difficult. Kill the unrighteous maybe?

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Anybody pro Capitalism?


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