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Blood Sacrifice

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Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 2/28/2014 2:38:38 PM
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Greetings and blessed love in the name of Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of Yehuda, Elect of HIMself, Light of the World.

Lately I&I really struggling with the idea of blood sacrifices. I have reasoned with Rasta Idren and also with other people who study the Bible, and no one seems to be able to answer this question...
This is I&I train of thought:
-Haile Selassie I is JAH
-Haile Selassie I professes to be a part of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (HIM accept the Bible and the atonement of Yeshua ben Yoseph, heMassach)
-Iwombman follow JAH Rastafari and emulate HIM ways, therefore I&I accept the Bible
-I&I realeyes the historical events that led to the existence of the Torah and Tanakh, and eventually the Gospels and Letters to various churches. I&I do not mistake these texts to be entirely perfect, but see that there must be some truth in them (how else would I&I know HIM as the Lion of Judah? If Judah never existed and Daniel, the psalmists, John on Patmos, Isaiah, and the rest never prophesied the coming of Haile Selassie I, how are those prophesies fulfilled in HIM?) So Iwombman study the Bible as a source of JAH guidance and wiseheights, using JAH spirit of discernment to sIght the lies amidst the Truth.
-In studying, I&I see a trend of bloodthirst that seems contrary to JAH love and mercy. Why? If Yhwh is the king creator, JAH Ras Tafari, why does HIM create, call the creation "good", then begin to require ritualistic bloodshed of the life he created? Why is JAH pleased when Able sacrifices animal fats but displeased when Cain offers plants? Then, on top of it, JAH replaces the bulls and doves with HIMself, Yeshua ben Yoseph, a human incarnation of full wiseheights and power of JAH, a human man humble enough to be sacrificed, shedding more blood? Is this sado/masochism truly pleasing to JAH the Sovereign of the Universe, Adonai Elohim Yhwh, the creator and sustainer of all life? As THE all-powerful, all-knowing, all-as-One JAH, why not choose a nonviolent form of penance? Why bloodshed?

Is this more Biblical confusion based on the imperfection of that adaption of incient iritual wiseheights, which came from KMT? Is this an adulterated notion?
Can it be that all of this bloodshed was man's imperfect idea, and that JAH never truly sanctioned blood sacrifice? That would be a HUGE departure from the will of the Almighty, if Moses made that up about the sacrifices. That would also mean that Yeshua's crucifixion meant nothing more than a political assassination - that HIM believes in the atonement of Yeshua for no reason. And how could the King of Kings make such a mistake?
Or can it be that Yhwh sanctioned blood sacrifice, but Yhwh is NOT JAH? Could it be that Yhwh is a malicious source, an adversary to divert JAH people from the Truth? If this is true, then how does JAH Rastafari allow HIMself to be a part of this adulterated religion? And how did followers of Yhwh write prophesies over thousands of years that would point to the Deity and Sovereignty of HIM Haile Selassie I? This would mean that the opposite teams are working together, which seems nonsensical.
Or can it be that JAH truly is pleased by blood sacrifice?

JAH Rastafari IS ever living and all-knowing, so if HIM is an Orthodox Ethiopian Christian, there has to be validity in that faith.

I&I try to make sense of this. Please let I&I reason on this convoluted issue!

Bless up JAH people, all peace and joy to the Idren, give thanks and praises to the King.


Messenger: RAS-NATE-1995 Sent: 2/28/2014 4:11:37 PM
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Greetings in the name of the Most I;I Advice to the I is to stop diging into trivial rabbit holes,and just take what the I need and leave what you don't.What does the I expect to get from all these questions?maybe someone can answer it's all bullshit what's written in there or come up with a theory why JAH wanted blood offerings,but no one who was there when moses was told this can answer the I's question... Nuff Raspect;thanks and Ises to king Selassie I;JAH RastafarI;


Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 2/28/2014 5:50:52 PM
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True Rasta, raspect for that absolute faith. But still I feel an urge to logically answer the questions that seem to challenge the character of the One I worship.
"What does the I expect to get from all these questions?"
Iwombman expect, hope, to gain a fuller Overstanding of JAH. And to decipher who is operating within JAH Irit and who is a pretender. If JAH is bloodthirsty, I cannot look at bloodthirst as an unrighteousness. Maybe, tho, it is not for I to say what is unrighteousness. Still, if I&I aim to act righteously, I must know what that means. If JAH is bloodthirsty should I also be bloodthirsty? If JAH as the Father of humanity would require blood sacrifice as atonement for the unrighteousness of the children, should Iman require blood sacrifices from I&I irthly children?
I have a logical brain, this is just how I think. And JAH Almighty has an answer for every question, it is only up to HIM to reveal the truth to I&I. So I continue to question in hopes of finding an answer and in that, a deeper kinship with JAH.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 2/28/2014 8:25:42 PM
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Bun blood sacrifice. The African blood shed in the past millennia over Arab and white supremacy... How much ore bloodshed the I need sis?


Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 2/28/2014 9:33:08 PM
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Concerning Cain and Able, Ables sacrafice was his work, done with a pure and cleAn heart,good intentions... our work is a living sacrafice is it not...greed and corruption can not be acceptable motive for work. Nor envy and hate of others like your brother is not acceptablee motive to work, jealousy of others work while slacking on own. Cain killed his plants over watering them thinking it would produce harvest to be proud of.....but the plants were killed and not a acceptable sacrafice of work




Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 2/28/2014 9:41:11 PM
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Psalm 51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.

16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 2/28/2014 9:55:22 PM
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Many, if not most religions of old times and some now deal with animal sacrifice. A First Nations Bredren I used to Reason would always say a prayer thanking the Creator and the animal for the loss of it's life for his food. He would also take some and leave it beside a tree as a sacrifice.

Even though sacrifice was and is used, it is not necessary. The Ethiopian Orthodox and most other Christians don't deal with animal sacrifice. RasTafarI people definitely don't deal with animal sacrifice. Here are some Reasonings about it, and also about the sacrifice of Cain and Abel.


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Sacrifice

The churches have misinterpreted the meaning of Christ dying for our sins. The way I see it is that the reason why we are saved is because of what Christ taught I and I about how I and I should live.

The sacrifice of Christ was that he taught I and I Jah way because he knew that he would have to sacrifice his body to teach I and I this because he knew that babylon would crucify him for teaching the truth to the people. But he still showed I and I the truth, he sacrificed himself for this. So when people forget his words and teachings it is a disrespect to the sacrifice Christ gave in order to show I and I these words.

That is why I feel that it is so important to live by his words. He sacrificed himself to teach I and I these things. If he didn't speak the things that he spoke, they would never have crucified him.

Selassie I showed I and I,


When He sacrificed himself at Golgotha for the atonement of our sin, He prayed with His last breath for the forgiveness of those who had tortured Him saying, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'.

Shame on those of us who are Christians and do not follow the way of the Savior of the World, whose life was filled with kindness, humility, and martyrdom! If we lived by the laws he gave us and were worthy of being called Christian, peace would have reigned on this earth.

Men were supposed to be the equals of the living angels who unceasingly sang praises before the eternal God. Had this been so, peoples of the world would not have been divided along lines of enmity.



Often in the churches, they speak that there use to be animal sacrifice, but by Christ being crucified, this sacrifice replace the sacrifice of animals, so people no longer need to sacrifice animals. Or they say that by Christ being crucified and sacrificed, it cleansed us of our sins so that Jah would forgive I and I. They like to believe that the death of Christ saves them to relieve their guilt for crucifying Him and justify their wickedness of crucifying Him. They also want to excuse themselves from living by His example. When the real way Christ saves us was by teaching I and I how to Live by the example of God and be One with God. Animal sacrifice was never necessary and Jah was always willing to forgive I and I of our sins.

The sacrificing of animals was there to cause people to acknowledge their sin, a process to help them recognize the significance. Jah requires I and I to repent and Live by his ways. If this is done, then no sacrifice is required. The law only has an affect on Sin. There is no law against righteousness.

Jah is perfectly clear in Ezekiel about what he requires, he didn't say that the people must repent and sacrifice. He only said that they must repent and Live in righteousness and their sin will not be mentioned, but they will be remembered for their righteousness.

Ezekiel 18
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the LORD is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

All the laws, procedures and ceromonies were needed by man, not Jah. Because their faith was and still is so weak that they required these things to help them believe. Just as some feel that they need many people to pray for them to be helped by Jah, or the people that believe that they must repeat their request over and over again to be heard. The Ones that have Faith that Jah will help them without them asking for this or that, but trust in the Most High to provide what they need, their Faith will be fulfilled.

When you look at the scriptures when Christ healed the people. Some people had Faith that they would be healed if Christ touched them, and they were healed. Christ showed them that "your Faith has healed you". Some people had Faith that they would be healed if they only touched the clothes of Christ, and they were healed. And one man had Faith that Christ could heal his servant from across the city, without even seeing the servant, and the servant was healed. Christ said of this man:

Luke 7
9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.


The people that had Faith that they would be healed when Christ touched them did not have Faith that Christ could heal them without even being near them. But the One that had the Faith that Christ could be far away and still heal, his Faith was fulfilled.

In those times, people put too much dependence on the laws and sacrifice and walked away from Faith in the Most High. Christ showed the Truth, and afterwards, instead of listening, people replaced the old doctrines of men with new doctrines of men, and put aside the Word of Jah as shown by Christ. Christ showed them what is truly required, it is not the doctrines of man, but it is the Livity of Jah. It is not to force your body to not sin, but it is to remove sin from you thoughts and Spirit. It is not to be part of the faithless generation, but it is to be the generation of the Faithful.

Christ showed the original way, the way for the faithful generation. Doctrines of men and animal sacrifices was for the faithless generation.

John 6
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Word manifested in Flesh, and Flesh manifested in Word to enter into I and I.

I and I should never underestimate the Power of Faith. With Faith, nothing is impossible, NOTHING. We needed Christ to bring the Flesh(Words) of Jah to I and I for us to see the Truth and the example of Jah. Because if we didn't see the Truth of Jah, then we would have surely died in our sin. But by the Grace(divine direction) of Jah, I and I will Live by the example of Jah. Without Jah guidance, this could not be so, but with Jah guidance it must be so. Christ left so that the Spirit of Truth could come to I and I, to show us where and when all of I and I steps should be made. But even after he left, people ignored the Spirit of Truth, and instead only spoke about how great Christ was and how it was impossible to Live by His example. Even though Christ came and told us to Live by His example, and sent us the Spirit of Truth to lead I and I in Jah way.

Christ sacrificed himself so that we could hear the Words of Jah. That is why he was crucified, and He knew that they would hate Him for showing the Words and example of Jah. This is the sacrifice. The action of Christ is the sacrifice, not the action of wicked men that crucified him. And the action of Christ was to remove the cloak and reveal the Truth. The sacrifice was the teaching of Jah example and it occured before the crucifixion, the result of the sacrifice was the crucifixion.

The teachings of Christ are the example of Jah. Let I and I Live in the ways of I and I Father.
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Messenger: Ark I Sent: 2/28/2014 9:58:54 PM
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Acceptable Offering


Several Years ago I was Reasoning to an Idren about the scripture below. I just thought of the Reasoning recently and wanted to Reason about it here.

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Genesis 4
[1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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He was saying that he thought the translators changed it and that Jah actually accepted the fruit of the ground from Abel, and rejected the firstlings of the flock from Cain.

I Reasoned with him saying that Selassie I accepting the sacrifice had nothing to do with what the sacrifice was, but it had everything to do with the thoughts and actions of Cain and Abel. That is why RasTafarI said,

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[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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And that is also why it said,

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[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
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Selassie I didn't have respect unto Cain's offering, because he didn't have respect to Cain because of his behaviour.

This kind of thing is also shown in this Psalm

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Psalms 51
[1] Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
[2] Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
[3] For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
[4] Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
[5] Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
[6] Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
[7] Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
[8] Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
[9] Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
[10] Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
[11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
[12] Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
[13] Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
[14] Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
[15] O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
[16] For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
[17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
[18] Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
[19] Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

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Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 2/28/2014 10:04:29 PM
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Brother Garvey, love and raspect. Yes, I agree no more blood, please! Iwombman a nonviolent Rasta, don't eat animals or kill spiders, don't harm fellow creatures... In fact I have issues sometimes eating plants knowing that they were once living. So I&I don't need more bloodshed! This is why the issue is SO troublesome. Why would JAH set up a system based on bloodshed, a plot of redemption that necessitates the murder of HIMself as atonement? The whole affair seems so backward and mind boggling - but Haile Selassie I encouraged I&I to follow the Bible:
"But [man] must realize that the Bible is his refuge, and the rallying point for all humanity. In it man will find the solution of his present difficulties and guidance for his future action, and unless he accepts with clear conscience the Bible and its great Message, he cannot hope for salvation. For my part I glory in the Bible."

Yes I Ras Tafari glory IS the Bible.
I sIght the Great Message of the Bible to be the love of JAH.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 2/28/2014 10:08:52 PM
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Just because it was written in the Bible, doesn't mean it is required by Jah. People may have thought it was a requirement, but Haile Selassie I requirement is Righteousness.




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