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Long live the Angel Nelson Mandela

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Messenger: Matthew Sent: 12/6/2013 7:50:37 AM

"I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination, I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

A True Revolutionary Freedom Fighter

RasTafarI Blessings

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 12/15/2013 3:43:19 PM

Debatable on the true revolutionary freedom fighter comment.

But after much has been said within the conscious community, good and bad, on some of the decisions he made. I man would just like to say any man that serves 27 years for the liberation of his people deserves to be commemorated. Despite what went on after his release.........

Blessings to Madiba.

- on another note, make them leave the deaf translator alone, kmt, like they want to hang him

Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 12/16/2013 9:59:48 PM

What do Haile Selassie and Mandela have in common? Among other things, both are Africa’s most prominent politicians who have come to be considered as inspiring and iconic figures of our age. Though one was a symbol of regal and feudal power and the other a revolutionary with Marxist inclination, both have come to demonstrate great political ability and astuteness during their period in office. Both suffered colonial oppression, and both of them mobilized their respective peoples against oppressors that violated their freedoms. Both are cool, self-contained men, who managed to stay calm and graceful under pressure.
In 1962, the burly, black-haired Mandela came to Ethiopia seeking military and political training to fight apartheid. At a young age and without much experience as a freedom fighter, Mandela was thrilled to see and meet the black independent sovereign who already gained prominence in the international scene. The following excerpt from Nelson Mandela’s new book, Conversations With Myself, renders a portrait of Haile Selassie based on a meeting with the Ethiopian Emperor in military parade in Addis Ababa. From a recorded conversation with Time magazine editor, Stengel, we could see that Mandela was clearly impressed by the Emperor’s statesmanship. He spoke few words given their distant acquaintance but they will carry immense weight simply because of who he is. Describing the Emperor as “an impressive fellow man, man, very impressive”, Mandela adds: “It was my first time to watch…a head of state going through the formalities.” Here is the whole text.

Conversations with Richard Stengel about meeting Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia
STENGEL: So tell me about the Emperor, Haile Selassie. You met him.
MANDELA: That was an impressive fellow, man, very impressive. It was my first time to watch…a head of state going through the formalities… the motions of formality. This chap came wearing a uniform and he then came and bowed. But it was a bow which was not a bow –he stood erect, you see, but just brought down his head…then…took his seat and addressed us, but he spoke in (Amharic)…Then, at the end of the conference he saw every, each delegation…and Comrade Oliver Tambo asked me to speak for our delegation, to speak to him. And I explained to him very briefly what was happening in South Africa…He was seated on his chair, listening like a log…not nodding, just immovable, you know, like a statue…The next time I saw him was when we attended a military parade, and that was very impressive (whistles), absolutely impressive. And he was then giving awards…to the soldiers; everyone who had graduated got a certificate… A very fine ceremony-a very dignified chap- and he also gave medals. There (were) American military advisors… (and) groups of military advisers from various countries …And so he gave medals to these chaps too. But to see whites going to a black monarch emperor and bowing was also very interesting.

Messenger: AntiKILLumiNAZI Sent: 12/17/2013 12:46:44 PMHidden - Foolishness
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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 12/17/2013 3:35:11 PM

Don't hide the brethren post make him talk.......
I was jus about to knock his spooky conspiracy story out the water anyway

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/25/2013 11:19:08 PM

Anyone who wants to see it can press the View button, some don't want to waste their time to view such foolishness.

Messenger: reasoningtime Sent: 7/22/2015 12:00:39 AM

well. please dont get me wrong but i just dont know what to think about mandela. not about the man himself but about his legacy.

i have to admit that i never read that much about mandela. all i know was that he was in prison for an eternity because he was against the regime and i think he really desevers respect for trying to change something for the positive before and after he went to jail and for being that consequent. but when it comes to politics im always careful.

sometimes i hear some reggae artists speaking of mandela like the greates hero ever seen so i read a lot of critical stuff lately.

they say that mandela and other rebels have fought fire with fire and a lot of stuff they did could be described as terrorism too. he even was a mason and financially supported by the sowjet union. we couldnt believe in him. some people say he shouldnt be seen like a hero because of all of this and his wife had even supported some organisations which used to fling bombs etc. and they allegedly have used violent mehtods like putting tires around the heads of their enemies to set them on fire.

the only thing i think is really a little bit strange is how he is used by the west now. everybody says hes a real hero. hes just like a mascot. later in his life he posed with a lot of celebrities and it reminded me of the way they portray bob marley. like a hippie you know.

well. i dont think that this can be compared to fanatic socialists of the west. i think some of those views and theories are very superficial. i dont trust the media anyways. and i know that especially as a rasta you have to be conscious about africa.

so personally i respect the great things he had done but he was just a human being who had a plan or a mission and im careful about the way he is used in the west.

i realize how conscious some african rastas are about promoting great african personalities etc. they dont want to spread the negative facts about africa and black celebrities because mass media is already very successful at doing so and i can understand that.

but i already said that i respect mandela and that i think that its the west which is reponsible for distorted views but i think that sometimes the truth is somewhere in the middle. mandela has done some great things. hes an idol. but it wasnt like he had changed his country with a smile (its just not possible) and you could use some mandela quotes to justify your hippie lifestyle you know.

Messenger: Lemuel II Sent: 7/22/2015 3:39:17 AM

I love Madiba so much

Messenger: Black heart Sent: 7/23/2015 1:12:11 AM

No smoke without fire. Story got three sides.

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