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Messenger: HolyZionJahBless Sent: 10/31/2011 3:39:33 PM
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Haile Selassie
greetings

2nd commandment states:
Thou shalt not make a graven image of God,
some biblical texts though, including the Kebra Negast,
go a little further stating:
thou shalt not make any god that is graven, and no god that is like
what is in the heavens above, or in the earth beneath or in the waters that is under the earth,

InI had a god reasoning about this the other day,
I been walkin around with this question for some time,
I paint a little and when finding out about the commandments InI
had to refocus on what I could paint or not..
I kinda left painting alone for a little while,
but seeing a video about Haile Selassie yesterdag and the painting style of the Ethiopians made I wonder again,

haha while posting the text I'nI finally get some insight =)
for first I thought I could not paint ANYthing anymore, and still
do, for in Ethiopia I'nI depicted a war that was fought some time ago,
and since a lot of the inhabitants were illiterate; imagery would be the only solution in getting a tale across I to I ,

still what Is InI thoughts about this?
could I paint ANYthing and put it on me wall,
or when I start 'distributing it as 'art' would it then not turn into a 'god'?
but when I depict a story or poem 't would be alright,
I sometimes complicate things a bit perhaps,
hope I understands I reasoning a bit,

Bless children Bless!
Holy Mount Zion!
Jah RastaFarI



Messenger: Nazarite_I Sent: 10/31/2011 8:23:37 PM
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Paint what the I paints. The second commandment cautions against making and worshiping idols, and a painting is no idol unless the I gives praise to the painting, which is just folly.

So go paint the King of Kings and put it on the I's wall, just give thanks to the King and not the canvas.

Blessed love.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 10/31/2011 10:09:39 PM
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Yes I, as Nazarite I said, that commandment is warning people not to make a statue and worship that statue as if it was a god. Jah showed them that he alone is God, and people should have no other god before him.



Messenger: HolyZionJahBless Sent: 11/1/2011 5:42:23 AM
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thnx
that helped I a lot =)




Messenger: HolyZionJahBless Sent: 11/2/2011 10:30:33 AM
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Haile Selassie,
Jah RastaFarI
Yoshuah Christ
Holy Emmanuel
et le district attorney =)

Still the bibles are full of these statemens:

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And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.PS:119:4
EXO:31:18
EXO:34:28
DEU:10:4
DEU:9:9
EXO:24:12
EXO:34:1
DEU:9:10
DEU:5:22
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And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.EXO:21:1
DEU:4:2
15
Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:JOS:23:11
ISA:40:18
EXO:19:1
EXO:20:4
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Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,EXO:20:4-5
DEU:4:23
DEU:12:3
LEV:26:1
EXO:20:4
DEU:9:12
DEU:31:29
ROM:1:23
DEU:4:25
DEU:27:15
DEU:5:8
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The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,ROM:1:23
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The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
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And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

23. Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.

This states clearly no-no graven image or the likeness of any thing...

or am I simply outta me mind
=)

Jah bless


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 11/3/2011 12:28:38 AM
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The problem when you quote one verse here or there you miss the whole meaning. I won't go through every scripture you mentioned, that would be a waste of energy. I will show you two.

Exodus 20
 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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Deuteronomy 4

15Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:

 16Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

 17The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,

 18The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:

 19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

"shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them" is implied in verses 16-18

Verse 15 refers to Horeb, where Moses received the commandments and also where the israelite made a golden calf and worshipped it as if it was a god.


Exodus 32

 1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

 2And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

 3And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

 4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

 5And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

 6And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

 7And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

 8They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

 9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

 10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

 11And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?

 12Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

 14And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

 15And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

 16And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

 17And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.

 18And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

 19And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

 20And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it.

 21And Moses said unto Aaron, What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them?

 22And Aaron said, Let not the anger of my lord wax hot: thou knowest the people, that they are set on mischief.

 23For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

 24And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.

 25And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:)

 26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

 27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

 28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

 29For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves today to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day.

 30And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

 31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

 32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

 33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

 34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.



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