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Messenger: Nyam Sent: 11/28/2008 5:23:18 PM
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Dear All,

Please accept my humble obeisance,

I just thought these December predictions may help us be aware of what's upcoming:

http://www.galacticcenter.org/predictions/world-predictions/december-2008.html

~Nyam


Messenger: Ras I-Tom Sent: 11/29/2008 11:21:05 AM
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Greetings in H.I.M name Haile I Selassie I JAH RasTafarI!!!!
I and I accept not divination as a means of telling I and I the future.
I and I accept prophecy given by Jah, ad Jah tell I and I to not associae Iself with divination.
I and I check the link the I posted, I and I can't take that to heart Nyam.
Give us the teachings of HIS majesty...

Blessings and guidance!
Itinual praises unto Haile I Selassie I Jah RasTafarI!


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/1/2008 11:26:57 AM
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The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Churches
thoughts on

Astrology & Horoscopes

"When our soul departs from life, we shall not be accused because we have not worked miracles, or have not been theologians, or have not seen visions, but we shall all certainly have to give account before God, because we have not wept unceasingly for our sins." St. John Climacus, Author of the Divine Ladder

The Orthodox Tewahedo Christian believer does not have to be a miracle-worker, brilliant theologian or heavenly vision soothsayer or maker, but he/she does have to account for not being aware of their sins. A sin in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church is understood in the spirit of the Greek word "amartia." In Ancient Greece when a person aimed to hit the bull's eye and failed, they called it "amartia" they missed. Falling short of the mark; not reaching your goal; not attaining your purpose is sin. When a Christian does things that keeps them away from Christ thy sin, because they do not live up to his/her purpose and that is, to live in Christ. When we do not live up to our goal-being the image and becoming the likeness of Almighty God, then we sin. When we allow the stars of heaven to guide our actions and not Almighty God, Who created the stars, then we are sinning. When we run to the newspapers to look up our horoscopes and our futures, and do not seek wisdom and learning from the Sacred Scriptures, then we are sinning. When we do, or don't do, this and that, because astrologers say so, and close our ears to Almighty God's Commandments through the teachings of His Church, then we are sinning. We are sinning, when we pray to the One True God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and simultaneously, take somewhat seriously the zodiac. We are not Aquarians, Pisceans or Librans, sons and daughters of stars; we are men and women, sons and daughters of Almighty God, the Most Holy Trinity - The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit!

People are now being to introduce themselves as Arians and Leos no longer as Christians. Isn't it strange that people would rather be named after stars and their constellations, than after Almighty God, the Creator and Source of Life? It is rare today to hear people say, no I'm not of Zodiac I am of God, a Christian; a small Christ. The Church has always preached against astrology.

The Prophet Jeremiah in Chapter 10, Verse 2 writes: "Learn not the way of the unbelievers, nor be dismayed at the signs of the stars because the nations are dismayed at them, for the beliefs of these people are false."

When the Prophet Daniel was confronted by the astrologers of the Assyrians, or Babylonians, from which we have inherited astrology, Daniel answered: "no wise men, enchanters, magicians or astrologers can show to the King Nebuchadnezzar the mystery which he has asked, but only God in Heaven, · Who reveals all mysteries . . ."


Orthodox Canon Law prohibits people from believing in astrology. In fact, Canon Law tells us to cast out of the Church people who make, sell, buy or wear the zodiac signs. The Church Fathers, like the Ancient Greeks, felt that there were "many wonders in the universe, but none more wonderful than man." Mankind is Almighty God's personal image according to Psalm 8: "man was made a little less than God and crowned with glory" in order to have complete dominion over the whole world-stars included. Gregory the Great wrote in the sixth century: "Man was not made for the stars, but rather the stars for man; and if a star can be called the ruler of man, then man must be considered the slave of his own servants."

Almighty God did not create the planets and stars with the intention that they would dominate humanity, but that they, like other creatures, should obey and serve Him.

Augustine, Bishop of Hippo considers astrology a religion of fate which is vehemently condemned by the Church. He felt that anyone who believes that our loving God would give power to stars in order to direct and govern our lives offends Almighty Gods justice and love.

St. John Chrysostom sees this belief in stars as a foolish disbelief against Almighty God's Omnipotence and creativity; Almighty God is not subjected to the stars, He is the Creator of them. St. John Chrysostom also points out, that if we are directed by star power, and then there is no such thing as good or evil, because we do what we do under the stars direction. "This means that God's commandments, that man shall not sin or that man shall do good, comes down to nothing but foolishness."

The Church Fathers bring up the idea of twins, especially Jacob and Esau. They ask "why is there such a diversity in the life of twins, in their actions, fortunes, deeds, callings, honors, and all such things pertaining to human life; is this a result of a tiny interval of time, even though they were conceived in the same moment?" Again Gregory the Great understands Astrology as superstition and foolishness - astrologers told him that a person born under the Aquarius sign was a fisherman, yet in the desert he has met Aquarians but never fishermen. In Persia where a child is born to a king and becomes a prince they say his star caused it so; but then he asks who can estimate how many slaves were born at the same time and moment as the king's? "And yet the sons of kings, born in the same hour as the slaves, go on to a kingdom, while slaves born together with them dies in slavery."

Astrology came from Babylonia over 4,000 year ago. It was based on the astronomical system that the sun revolves around the earth, not the earth revolves around the sun. The year was divided into 12 months, 6 having 30 days, 6 twenty nine thus making 354 days. So once in a while they would add a 13th month. What I'm leading to is this: a person born in April called Aries in our Gregorian calendar, in their calendar, should be a Pisces, and an Aquarian you see we are a month ahead. So all of that which you have been reading, should you have ever read Astrological things about yourself is wrong; wrong because you were in the wrong month. The Babylonian Astrological Calendar is a month behind ours.

Will Durant in his History of Civilization calls Astrology one of the many superstitions of ancient days which still flourish in our own day. But the stupidity of it all is best summed up by the immortal William Shakespeare: "This is the excellent foppery of the world, that when we are sick in fortune we make guilty of our disaster the sun, the moon, and the stars; as if we were villains by necessity; fools by heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves and teachers by spherical predominance; drunkards, liars, and adulterers by an enforced obedience of planetary influence." St. Gregory of Nyssa, summing up the essential aspect of human dignity, rightly says if we are but instruments of heavenly rotation then we do not have free will. "And if man loses freedom, he loses everything." If man is not free, man is not man!

Haile Selassie I JAH RasTafari Lord of Lords and Savior



Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/1/2008 11:28:49 AM
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Astrology is the occult, might as well ask the ouija board what the future will be. Ouija boards are used to communicate with ghosts, spirits, and demons.


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/1/2008 11:30:45 AM
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Here is something on astrology from a satanist website, The Joy of Satan. Joy of Satan is a white supremist organization that worships satan. This also shows that white supremacy has demonic forces behind it. They always preach against the "Jews" and speak of the Aryans as being supreme, like with magical runes versus the Hebrew scriptures. They say the Jews stole everything from the original gods, which are Satan and his demons.

Azazel's Astrology for Satanists


Astrology, when interpreted accurately, is the most detailed and advanced method of divination and is essential to timing rituals and working magick. Nearly all of the ancient megalithic structures were designed to observe the stars and their movements. The four cardinal points used in ritual are based upon the points of the Zodiac, as are the elements.

The Gods referred to the planetary tables as the "tablets of destiny/fate." One interpretation of the number 666 is 6 x 6 x 6= 216. 2,160 years is how long it takes the synetic vernal point to travel through a house of the zodiac. This is the time of an astrological age. "666, is the number of a man" Aquarius, the water bearer. This will be the Age of Aquarius, the age of fire, the Age of Satan.

Astrology is a very detailed and advanced subject. Most of those who call themselves "astrologers" never advance beyond the elementary level. Ninety-five percent of all the books are elementary and this makes astrology look bad. Most of the books available only tell you about the various *methods* of interpretation, they are unable to interpret the information, so they are useless.

Important points:

* Learn the 12 signs of the zodiac
* Learn the symbols

Be careful what you believe when learning astrology, if something doesn't apply to you, more than likely it won't apply to anyone else.

I have been honest in all my interpretations. Astrology is different from other forms of divination. Astrology goes deep and reveals many things, some which may be unpleasant to say the least. Astrology is brutally truthful and will more than likely change the way you look at life, as it has done for me. I have studied and practiced astrology for over 30 years. Much of what I have learned has been through suffering.

As for fate vs. free will, I have found knowing about something before it happens, can sometimes give us an edge in preventing it. Satan has REALLY helped me through some disastrous transits, unscathed. It is always important to do a ritual and ask, if you see bad times coming.

WHAT ASTROLOGY CAN DO FOR YOU

* Know ahead of time the way the energies in your future will turn. Knowing this will give much insight into the actions you take at any given time. Obviously, you don't want to go out and rob a bank when Saturn will be transiting your 12th house (possible jail time). Jupiter transiting your first house you can get away with it. (I am not advocating anything illegal here; I am just citing an example!)

* Use the timing of the universe to assist in your magick. This will work in your favor. For revenge rituals, when Saturn transits the first house of the offending one, or when it is retrograding over his/her personal planets, life will already be hard, use this energy to make it worse or to direct it.

* Do You want to now what pleases your lover sexually? The placement of Venus reveals a lot about the love/sexual preferences.

* Do you want to know someone better than they know themselves? Look at their birth date or better yet, their astrology chart. Through astrology, we can understand what is going on in our lives and have a better understanding of significant others and ourselves.

* Astrology will give you knowledge and power over others. You can find out if people are lying to you, cheating on you, in love with you, hate you and much more.

The down side is knowing about unpleasantness before it happens. Sometimes we see tragedy in other's charts or in our own. People who can't have children, disastrous marriages, unrequited love, and even death.

When you really learn to read the planets, it opens another dimension. Sometimes, things don't always manifest the way we read into them. It is important and *ethical* that you do not reveal anything tragic to others you read for. Satan is ethical and the Demons teach us ethics. There is always the possibility it may not happen the way we expect it to and this is a very nasty thing to do. If I see disaster, I tell the person I am reading for to be careful at certain times.


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/1/2008 11:36:12 AM
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Messenger: SunofMan Sent: 12/1/2008 1:42:23 PM
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LOLOL!!!!!

Shyt, I think I'm a satanist now...LOLOLOLOL. awww man!!!!!!!!

So forget that His Majesty was born on the first day of Leo, right!?!, because, ( I love this part):

"Astrology came from Babylonia over 4,000 year ago. It was based on the astronomical system that the sun revolves around the earth, not the earth revolves around the sun. The year was divided into 12 months, 6 having 30 days, 6 twenty nine thus making 354 days. So once in a while they would add a 13th month. What I'm leading to is this: a person born in April called Aries in our Gregorian calendar, in their calendar, should be a Pisces, and an Aquarian you see we are a month ahead. So all of that which you have been reading, should you have ever read Astrological things about yourself is wrong; wrong because you were in the wrong month. The Babylonian Astrological Calendar is a month behind ours."

Babylonia?!?!? 4000 years ago?!?!?! Try Ethiopia thousands of years before that. Eleazar, there is way more to History than the Christian version. While some in the EOTC may try to conceal the astrological basis of their faith it is a hopeless endeavour, the Christian religion is founded on pagansim (which is nothing to be ashamed of, it simply is) and there are plenty of resources out there to study should One choose not to hide from the truth.

Now I'm not saying that the stars are some kinds of entity which we are at the will of, but since the beginning of humanity we have used the universe as a tool to better overs ourSelves and the will of the almighty. The article enforced how it was so important for man to keep the commandments of the almighty, and not be swayed by the astrologers, sure, but it was the stars which man first saw as holding perfect order, they always keep the law. Yes, we have free will as the Almighty has given it to us, but the stars do not, they work completely through the will of the Almighty, ancients knew this well, and had the sense to know how to interpret this knowledge, today it is a mockery.

Nyam the link was a crock, why did the I post that?

Eleazar, study pre christian influences on christianity. Try Gerald Massey, and Acharya S, Ashra Kwesi and Doctor Ben to start with.

SELAM



Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/1/2008 1:59:25 PM
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SunofMan,

I did not accuse the I of being a satanist, please forgive I if that is how the I perceives it. The reason why I have suspicions about astrology being linked with the occult is that I have heard the Ethiopian Orthodox Church preaching against astrology such as in the article I posted, and the other reason is that astrology is a big part of the satanism/occult.

Maybe not all astrology is bad, I am sure what the I said about astrology in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church is true, I just don't overstand why the Church would preach against astrology, maybe the Church wants to keep its ancient troditions secret.

I don't have anything against Pagans, I sometimes buy herb from a pagan person I know.






Messenger: SunofMan Sent: 12/1/2008 3:58:55 PM
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Eleazar, I never said or thought that the I was implying I was a satanist, and I'm not offended I. I was just laughing cause in comparing the two articles I found I Self so annoyed with the Christian One that I felt like the writer would put I in the Satanist camp, no problem I.

Like lots of things, there's good and bad to be found in the Christian religion and in astrology, both have been corrupted.

"maybe the Church wants to keep its ancient troditions secret. "

to a degree that's true, but some are still in denial altogether.


Selam



Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/1/2008 4:57:10 PM
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It is funny that all it takes is a few days without I and some others spending much time reasoning that the reasoning focus turns toward all kinds of other things.

I will add some of my comments to this.


Sun of Man, you said,
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Christian religion is founded on pagansim (which is nothing to be ashamed of, it simply is) and there are plenty of resources out there to study should One choose not to hide from the truth.
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I have not been convinced that it is founded on paganism, I have heard of all the parallels and have seen some documentaries that claim that, but I found that they didn't show the full story, they only showed the parts that made their argument sound convincing.

There are so many parallels claims made, but only a few of them have been shown to be a confirmed part of the Horus story. And some of the parallels that are confirmed, especially the one they claim is the same as the virgin birth, when you actually see the Horus birth story, it is so different from the story of the birth of Christ that I don't feel the claim of it being the same makes sense.

Here is a reasoning I made before talking about most of the claimed parallels, except for the few claimed parallels that are actually based on commonly known parts of the Horus story, like Horus birth story which is well known.

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I looked into the parallels between Heru and Jesus. In any of the actual stories passed along about Heru, the events used as comparison are not mentioned.

The only places the parallels are found are in books that are trying to suggest that there is a parallel. And some of these books have references, but the references are to books made in the past 200 years that are also trying to suggest a parallel. There are no references to the actual sources of those stories, people are just expected to assume that the last person in the reference line is telling the truth when they claim that they saw this or that.

So it still may be possible that those stories actually exist, I don't know. But it seems kind of strange that none of the people that mention the comparisons have any source older than 200 years, or even a reference to a document where somebody is just telling the story of Horus and happen to mention those events.

People say that the things about Jesus are from documents written 100-200 years after the time Christ was said to exist. But considering how old those paper documents are, it is quite possible that they are copies made from older documents, and also considering the age and the fact that it is written on paper, it would not be surprising that the original documents written during the time of Christ would no longer exist.

But even if the documents were first made 100-200 years after Jesus Christ, 100-200 years is much closer to the time of Christ then the 1800+ years the first documents about the Horus parallels are made. And since those Horus parallels are supposed to be about things written long before the time of Christ, how many years after the supposed original documents were those Horus parallels written?

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Many of the authors you mentioned fall somewhere in that source tree that is rooted in baseless claims.

If it was proven to I that the story of Christ was based on older pagan stories, it would not change I trod because what I look to in the story of Christ is the example and teachings. But I have not at all been convinced of that, because when I look deeper than what those that claim such things reveal, I see all the things that they have hidden which make their story less convincing. While I haven't been convinced that the story of Christ is based on paganism, I have seen enough similarities in the traditions that Christians have to see that a lot of them are based on pagan traditions, and from what I have gathered, there are at least two reasons for this. One reason being people who were converted to Christianity, kept some of their old traditions, and the second reason is that because people persisted in keeping old traditions, the Christian convertors incorporated some of the traditions into Christianity to make it easier to convert people.


Ark I

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