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IS JESUS CHRIST REALY LUCIFER?

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Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/22/2008 12:28:53 PM
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And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
SELAH


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/22/2008 12:32:33 PM
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Ras Power

As you are a Ras, and as i am going "totally against what his majesty stand for.", then there is no need for the i to speak to i, right?
We are done here

Blessed Love
Rastafari


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/22/2008 12:34:34 PM
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RasRanga
I am waiting for an explanation of what you said


Messenger: RasRanga Sent: 9/22/2008 12:52:01 PM
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Ras KebreAB, let I reason the words i wrote. Death is not greater than life, therefore death is total non-livity right? Life conqured death and itinues to conqure death for those who possess life.

Lucifer, as i sight him is totally conquered by christ, right? Lucifer represents death, and his spirit is also that of death. Now christ came, had a body of flesh, which is finite, but his irit is iternal, thus conquered lucifer. Now christ said greater things shall you do because i go unto the father. Now comes the Conquering Lion, HIM. He had the same spirit that Jesus had, but at an even higher level as he did even greater works! Now wen we sight HIM, we also are to walk in HIM's irit and do greater things! at each successive stage, a greater level is reached which is greater than the one before, but its the same spirit so there is none who is greater than the other, sight?

I sight how from the days of long ago, until now, the same process has been taking place. Our irator itinues to grow larger in all dimensions as we grow to know him. No matter how much ini know of him, we need to always sight that he is even larger than that, because if we do not do that, we will be saying we are God himself or even above God.

mankind started off with very little or no knowlegde of him, but over the ages, our irators' irit has been getting more and more revealed unto us, but its the same irit! the flesh may have been dying, but the irit continues to live and with each successive stage, those who possess life know more and more of the irator.

I do not sight it as a thinking process but as a remembering process, as the irit is the same and the most i knows himself, so ini as a part of him are to remember who who really are by letting him reveal himself unto us, for i, it is always sighting him in iditation and burning of the herb which brings i life, and knowlegde of the iritual things, which is knowledge of life.

does the i sight i's reasonin now or tis still not clear?


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/22/2008 1:01:34 PM
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Ark I, there is really no need to tell the brethren that i didnt mean to say that King Selassie didnt speak for all. If the brethren just read the next line of what he used from my words, he would have seen what i was saying.
Well, i shouldnt say, he would have seen it, because i know he did see the next line
It irritates i so much, when someone takes half of what i say, and ignores the rest, just to serve their own purpose

To tell the truth, it hurts i head just trying to get through what the brethren is saying, i dont know what he is talking about from one minute to the next.
He uses Quotes from the Emperor that have no bearing on what we are speaking of
Now he start speaking of salvation. What does salvation have to do with not involving yourself with things like politics?
I said thats your opinion, if you want to run after Democrats or Republicans or whoever the hell is "good" this week, that is your business
But dont come to i speaking of emulating the Livity Of Christ, you disrespect i


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/22/2008 1:11:25 PM
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Yes RasRanga, it is still unclear, so if the i have more more words, i would appricilove it

For now i will say, i hope it is clear to the i of what a bold and dangerous statement that was. When i first saw it, didnt take it literally, i thought there must be some figurative form of what he is trying to say. If i thought you meant that literally, well, it would have gotten real hot in here. So you need to explain this to ini properly.

The problems i sight right now,
"Now christ came, had a body of flesh, which is finite, but his irit is iternal, thus conquered lucifer"
No christ lived and died and rose in the flesh, so how can His flesh be finite?
"Now comes the Conquering Lion, HIM. He had the same spirit that Jesus had, but at an even higher level "
what higher level? Jah is Jah and forever shall be.
If you say, He came at different times for different purposes,then i agree

From all the i said
"I do not sight it as a thinking process but as a remembering process"
i really agree with that

But i still do not sight what that has to do with the statement that the i made




Messenger: Ras power Sent: 9/22/2008 10:20:47 PM
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never said all speaches is to ini, if u could tell what he is saying, u should know what i'm saying also.

he gave the speach, and the so called leaders( followers) that are there now were not there then, and i know that what he said then is relavant now and who know who will be, u or i could be leaders some day.

even so knowing what he said on all issues also shape our thoughts as well all is important.

and what a speech to choose, the war speech

just one
Twenty-seven years ago, as Emperor of Ethiopia, I mounted the rostrum in Geneva, Switzerland, to address the League of Nations and to appeal for relief from the destruction which had been unleashed against my defenseless nation, by the Fascist invader. I spoke then both to and for the conscience of the world. My words went unheeded, but history testifies to the accuracy of the warning that I gave in 1936.





Messenger: Ras power Sent: 9/22/2008 10:36:24 PM
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u dont know, as his majesty showed ini, 100%flesh, 100% spirit.

the bible say we are physical but if we live spiritual we shall rip spiritual things


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 9/22/2008 10:37:30 PM
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JAH NO DEAD JAH NO DEAD JAH NO DEAD JAH NO DEAD

JAH RASTAFARI LIVES AND REIGNS ITERNALLY


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 9/22/2008 10:41:52 PM
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People Blind to Oneness

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Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/7/2006 1:26:11 AM

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I can't Iverstand that 2000 years after Christ taught I and I to be One with God, that people still completely ignore this teaching.

People are missing the most important message that Christ had for I and I. All the righteousness that is required from I and I would be fulfilled if I and I heard and Lived by this message. When you are One with God, Jah is directing all your movements and you trod with the guidance of Jah.


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I see Eashua Christ as One with God, Haile Selassie I as One with God, and all that live by the example of God as One with God. So when I say One, I am not saying that Eashua Christ or Selassie I are higher than Jah. I am saying that they are One, with no separation. One has no division. So they can't be seen as three heads of a council, standing beside eachother, because that is not One. To be One with Jah, a man must go to Jah, and join with Jah. They must live by the direction of Jah, through the Spirit of Jah.

Who is RasTafarI?
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When I have told some people about Christ's message to be One. The statement I most often get is that Christ meant One as meaning in agreement with the principals that God teaches. These people only see One in part, they don't see the fullness of One.

The One that Christ is speaking about is One in completeness, with no separation. And Christ knew that people wouldn't want to hear this message and if he just said be One with God, they would have changed and rearranged what he said to make it sound like less than One. So Christ repeated himself and elaborated and said it different ways and explained it in more detail and even gave them a frame of reference of how they were to be One. The frame of reference was to be One as Christ is One. But still people have changed and rearranged and cannot believe what Christ is teaching.

To believe this teaching from Christ, people would actually have to take responsibility for their wickedness and admit to theirself that they are cursed by their own wickedness. And that the way for them to be saved is by Living by the example of God, the example shown by Eashua Christ and Haile Selassie I and Holy Emmanual I. But since people can't face this and love their wickedness too much, they claim that they are saved by the murder of Eashua Christ. They don't realize that they aren't saved by the murder, but by the teachings that led to the murder, the teachings that were the reason for the murder.

The rest of this message will be speaking about the scriptures where Christ showed us that we are supposed to be One with God in the same way that He is One. Christ tried so hard to show people what we are supposed to be. Christ repeated Himself and said the same thing in so many different ways so that there would be no doubt as to what he was saying because he knew that people would try their hardest to ignore this message, so he tried to make it impossible to ignore.

My message will also be extremely repetitive because 2000 years of repetitiveness has still been unseen by the blind eyes of the people. So hopefully a few more eyes can be opened, and people will strive to Live by the example of God and become One with God, instead of criticizing others for the ""blasphemy"" of saying they are God, or criticizing others for the ""blasphemy"" of saying someOne else is God. They are fighting against something they are supposed to be.

Christ explained his Oneness with God by saying "I am in the Father, and the Father in me". If Christ just said "the Father is in me", or if he said "I am in the Father", then it can be seen that there is a connection, but they can still be separate. But Christ said, "I am in the Father, and the Father in me". If you picture this in your mind, then you can see that it can only mean that they are One, because how else can Christ be in the Father and at the same time the Father in Christ?

Christ also said, "I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you" So by the same reasoning above, the only way Christ can be in someOne and at the same time that someOne to be in Christ is for them to be One. And if someOne is One with Christ and Christ is One with God, then they are also One with God, and that is why Christ said all three together in that statement.

Christ Itinued to tell I and I a few more times.

"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. "


Christ then prayed to the Father asking Jah to make his people One with Christ, One with God.

"Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are."

So for those that weren't convinced by Christ saying "I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you", Christ elaborated more and said "that they may be one, as we are." Christ showed that the Oneness that He wanted for I and I was not a different kind of Oneness from what He has with God, but that it is the exact same Oneness. I and I are supposed to be One with God, in the same way that Christ is One with God.

And if that was still not enough, Christ Itinued and said,

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


Christ asked for all that listened to His teachings and Lived in them to be made One with God, that they "all may be one". And again Christ showed that the way I and I are supposed to be One is "as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee", the exact same Oneness that Christ has. And then Christ said, "that they also may be one in us", The us Christ is refering to is the Oneness of Him and God, and he wanted I and I to be One in Him and God.

And if still that wasn't enough, Christ said:

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:"

God gave Christ the Glory of being One with God and Christ was giving this same glory to I and I so "that they may be one, even as we are one" again showing that the standard of Oneness is the Oneness that Christ has, "even as we are one"

And just in case people still missed the message, Christ said:

"I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

Again repeating the message of Oneness, connecting I and I, Christ and God in One "I in them, and thou in me". And if people still think that he is speaking about less than Oneness Christ said, "that they may be made perfect in one" Christ showed that this Oneness for I and I is not a partial Oneness, or incomplete Oneness, or almost Oneness, but this Oneness that Christ wants for I and I is a Perfect Oneness.


And finally

"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."





Here is a reasoning I made before about this:
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Christ is One with Jah, RasTafarI is One with Jah, and all that live for Jah are One with Jah. One is one in completeness, there is no separation in One. So Christ is Jah, RasTafarI is Jah, and all that live for Jah is Jah. One is what Christ told I and I to be, and is what Christ asked Jah to make us be.

John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

John 17
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.


Jah Iternal Blessings,


One
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Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


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