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Messenger: Alexander Sent: 4/18/2008 7:20:31 AM
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Alright, I can understand that porn is negative and a form of prostitution, but still, why are some people here so negative about masturbation?

Please understand that I'm not after talking you into start doing it, I just want to point out that I really don't see it as something wrong, like many people here do.

The need to ejaculate for men and have an orgasm (for both women and men) is as natural as the need to urinate for example. I mean, would "wet dreams" exist if there was no real need for men to ejaculate? Well, anyway, the basis of my argument is that: who do I hurt if I masturbate? What is really negative about it? And some people might call it "sexual immorality" or whatever, but please, show me a passage in the Bible that specifically tells us that masturbation is a "sexual sin".

Really, the basis of morality is what is positive and what is negative, if something you do is helping or hurting. And I don't see how masturbation is hurting anyone.

I think this whole attitude that our sexuality should not be seen as anything but a means to have children is detrimental to our health. I think that to see sexuality as something that cannot be separated from the purpose of having children is really seeing our sexuality as the sexuality of an animal.

And also, know that when I say all this I speak from my heart, no Babylon brainwashing.


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 4/18/2008 8:15:18 AM
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Since you asked please,

Gen.38.v 9,10
"And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. "

Nevertheless, it is a pity when a man needs a book to tell him right from wrong
" I think that to see sexuality as something that cannot be separated from the purpose of having children is really seeing our sexuality as the sexuality of an animal."
that does not make sense to i, so animal sexuality is only for the purpose of having offspring??? lol, you can tell i that when the next dog comes and humps your leg
It is the opposite, to be animal is to be controlled by the wants and needs of the flesh. You as a MAN are supposed to rise above that, use your mind,soul and heart and hold to what is good and clean,knowing that tho you are in flesh,you are not of the flesh. The flesh is meant to obey you. If you wish to obey the flesh, go ahead.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 4/18/2008 9:21:45 AM
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The reason that Jah was displeased with Onan was that he had an obligation to bring forth a seed for his brother who died. But because of his selfishness, he didn't want to give his seed to his brother's wife.


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Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 4/18/2008 11:28:36 AM
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I completely overs your point Ark I, i thought of that too. I used to think that, but since a while ago, i am not sure anymore
can the i say 100 percent sure that it was that reason displeased Jah so?
What does the i think Jah would be more displeased with? Spilling your seed on the ground,or not wanting to have children with a certain woman?
just wondering


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 4/18/2008 11:37:41 AM
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That is not really the two sides of the question, the two side are:

What would Jah be more displeased with? Spilling your seed on the ground,or not wanting to honour your dead brother and follow the custom of bringing forth a child in your brother's name so that his Life line continues.

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Messenger: Bro Dominiq Yehyah Anbesa Sent: 4/18/2008 11:52:24 AM
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Love

The content of the whole passage explains that it is meant as Ark I explained it. Though it's not a very logical strategy to avoid to make his brother's wife pregnant. But never the less it makes quite clear that it's meant as Ark I explained.

Actually there is only one direct passage in scripture:
Leviticus 15:16
16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.

Also read the context.
I must add, that in other language versions this verse is more clearly about this topic.

Selah


Messenger: Alexander Sent: 4/18/2008 12:11:03 PM
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Ras KebreAB,
like Ark I said, that passage doesn't refer directly to masturbation, that's just some people's interpretation.

I agree that self control is important, but you didn't answer my question about who gets hurt as a result of someone masturbating. If masturbation doesn't hurt anyone, why would you need to control yourself when it comes to that?

I don't need a book to tell me right from wrong, that's exactly my point. I just mentioned that thing about the Bible since many people seem to actually need a book to tell them right from wrong.

Also, I never said that animal sexuality is only about reproduction. But I think most people would agree that animal sexuality is in most cases MORE about the purpose of having offspring.


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 4/18/2008 1:26:51 PM
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It irritates I that everytime I look at the forum I see this message near the top. This is not an order but a request for people to stop replying to this topic so that it can get lower and lower so that the subject titles at the top are more pleasing to read and better reflect I and I Trodition.

Ark I
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Messenger: Alexander Sent: 4/18/2008 1:42:06 PM
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Ark I,
this is your forum and I understand if you don't want people to talk about this here.

I don't feel any need to continue this reasoning anyway since I know where I stand when it comes to this topic, I really just felt that I wanted to express my views on this.

So, I won't post anymore in this topic. It will probably only cause people to start fighting instead of reasoning anyway.

The same goes for the pornography topic.


Messenger: Ras power Sent: 4/19/2008 9:40:43 PM
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sorry, but this falls under pleasing the flesh rather than the spirit?


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