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The Tree of Wisdom

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Messenger: Bro Dominiq Yehyah Anbesa Sent: 1/8/2008 11:57:27 AM

Ises ones and ones
My Lord and Empress

Enoch left I n I a book which makes it necessary to overthink certain christian conceptions.

One of those which made me think especially is the chapter about the Fragrant Trees, in which Enoch explains that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the Tree of Wisdom, and thus not negative but very positive indeed.
This is not easy because it leads to a process of reconsideration in which many factors get involved. The whole story of Genesis needs to be reconsidered in the light which Enoch shows us.

Again and again I read this chapter, but do not really come to any satisfying conclusion. It would be very helpful if some Is who have read Enoch could share their Ipinions on that.

From this question there springs a very detailed one. I am among those Nazarenes who say the sinful Tree was a grapevine, as indicated in ancient scriptures, and that's why I n I avoid everything from the vine as I n I is living a Nazarene Eden livity.

But now Enoch says that Tree was not negative at all. Still he compares the Tree to grapes. All in all the Tree is believed, especially by Rasses, to be the herbtree, of which the bud's are even in our time sometimes compared to grapes in shape.

And now Iman try to fit all that together. It is very interesting indeed and Enoch must be considered in all of I n I biblical studies. That is why I hope many of the I them know what I'm talking about and want to share in that Icussion.

Give Thanks Iverytime

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/8/2008 12:24:32 PM

Could you give references to which Enoch verses speak about the tree of wisdom?

Ark I
Haile Selassie I

Messenger: Ras Sistren Khamyl Sent: 1/8/2008 4:21:28 PM

Is there any reference to soaking the holy herb in bug spray, hanging it upside down to dry, burning it, and inhaling the fumes into the lungs?

Just curious. RSK

Messenger: Yaa Asantewa Sent: 1/9/2008 10:33:41 AM

Giggling a lot about the above... any issues with the incients by any chance..? lol.

With much raspect Empress, I hope thee I is not one of those raw sprouting juicer food vegans who've confused that lifestyle with RasTafari... and is now coming in trying to have an issue with the herbs... like unuh know something we don't.

"it's the healing of the nation". Simple.

Humble regards. Blessed.

Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 1/9/2008 5:25:45 PM


what i am interested in is

Bro Anbesa, the i seem to be saying that Enoch is stating that the tree ITSELF should be seen in a positive and not a negative light....which i have to say, i have always seen it so iself............i mean whether the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or the tree of wisdom, i dont see any reason to see it in a negative way, Jah creation
but what i am more interested in knowing is if Enoch is saying that the ACT OF PARTAKING of the fruit of the tree by Adam and Eve,as contained in the Genesis story, should be seen in a positive and not a negative light.


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 1/10/2008 7:32:06 PM

Light up your spliff light up your chalice we gonna smoke inna Buckingham palace

Messenger: Bro Dominiq Yehyah Anbesa Sent: 1/12/2008 9:44:51 AM

Blessed Love

The Prob is, as I think, there aint no compulsary use of verses in Enoch's book, so it might lead to confusion, as different versions seem to count the verses differently.

In the version that I use there is a Chapter called "The Fragrant Trees" starting at page 39, some chapters before the 3 parables.
The whole chapter is dealing with this issue, but Verse 32.6 brings it to the point:

"This is the Tree of Wisdom, from which your ancient father and ancient mother, who were before you, ate and learnt Wisdom; and their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they were driven from the Garden."

Yes Ras Kebre, to me it sounds as if the eating of this tree itself also is seen positive. Also compared to Genesis where it says it makes you "be like god" which in no way can be negative.

I came to the conclusion that it must be about the meaning which stands behind this. But I have to trod on, I will share some thoughts when I have more time.


Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 1/12/2008 10:25:04 AM

Is there any reference to soaking the holy herb in bug spray, hanging it upside down to dry, burning it, and inhaling the fumes into the lungs?

.................... is supposed to be flushed before even hung to dry....
but either way if im in aroom with ciggerette smoke i have flared lungs from asthma but i can smoke vibes all day long
so if its fumes they must not be too harmful
compared to second hand smoke from babylon

Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 1/12/2008 12:18:54 PM

Need to iditate more on this, it can be quite a slippery slope

Because, if as the i said " it sounds as if the eating of this tree itself also is seen positive"...........then this would beg the question,, so then who is the "negative" one ? who is it that made it forbidden to eat of the tree? who is the "jealous" one who didnt want man to be "like god" ?
The i sight where im going with this?

Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/12/2008 10:13:12 PM

I first wanted to make the distinction that the first tree Enoch inquired about was the Tree of Life. And then later on after seeing other kinds of Trees, he asked about the Tree of Wisdom or Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil. And if the I them notice, it is not really implied that it is positive or negative, the Angel Raphael only said "This is the Tree of Wisdom, from which your ancient father and ancient mother, who were before you, ate and learnt wisdom; and their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they were driven from the garden."

The Tree gave the Knowledge of Good and evil; knowing this is not really a positive or negative in itself. What makes it positive or negative is what is done with this Knowledge.

The reason Jah told them that when they eat of the tree they shall surely die is because Jah knew that their existence up to that time was short and they didn't have enough of a foundation to deal with this wisdom. But since RasTafarI created them in RasTafarI Image, Jah gave them the choice to do what they want to do. Jah gave them this choice whether their decision was a good idea or not.

And when they chose to eat of the tree, they did surely die. Because they gained knowledge, but were not able to Iverstand the knowledge they gained. So they saw that their bodies were separate and thought that they were not One. They couldn't Iverstand Oneness and Iverstand that even though there are different bodies, they are still One. This misinterpretation of the knowledge they saw eventually lead to their death, and continues to lead to our death from that time until this time.

They couldn't Iverstand what they saw through their gained knowledge, so they began to live as separate beings instead of One, and taught the same to their children.

As I reasoned before:
The reason why Jah told them that they would surely die if they ate of the fruit is because Jah knew that when the generations of Adam and Eve no longer saw eachother as One, they would kill eachother.

This mind concept of separation led to Cain killing Abel:

Genesis 4
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

The question Cain asked "Am I my brother's keeper?" represents the kind of separation that came into the minds of men. If Cain realized that they were One, he would have known that when he keeps his brother, he is keeping his self. But he didn't see his brother's life as his own, so he killed him.

In a world like this, things must come to an end. Because as time passes, people become more separate from eachother, and care less and less for the people in the world, even their family and friends.

Genesis to Revelation

RasTafarI wanted to guide them so that they can become the fullness of the Image that they were Created in. So when they were ready and could Iverstand, Jah would have given them of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and evil, and then Jah would have also given them of the Fruit of Life. Since RasTafarI created them in Jah Image, They were given the ability and freedom to make their own decisions. Jah wasn't creating a puppet on a string, so He didn't create them to just move according to what string Jah pulled. Jah doesn't move according to somebody else's orders, so He created Man and Woman to be the same.

So because of their impatience, they decided to go against RasTafarI's guidance, and instead move according to their own foolishness and they ate of the fruit before it was time. So Jah cast them out of the garden and put them in a place where they can cause whatever imbalance they want, but also gave the Earth the power to bring things to balance again, so that they have a place that they can't completely destroy. This way they will have as many millenniums they need to get to the point where the can Iverstand the Knowledge of Good and evil which they took before the Right time. And when that time comes when they Iverstand, Jah will remove those who would not Iverstand, and give those with Iverstanding to eat of the Tree of Life, to Live Iternally as One.

Arrogance and foolishness will always result in downfall. People have to stop imagining that Jah is like them, they do this as an excuse to continue in their foolishness instead of Living in Jah RasTafarI way. Instead they should learn how Jah RasTafarI is and change themselves to be like Jah.

Ark I
Haile Selassie I

Here is the part in Enoch that speaks about the Fragrant Trees.


24.1 And from there I went to another place of the Earth and he showed me a mountain of fire that blazed day and night.
24.2 And I went towards it and saw seven magnificent mountains. And all were different from one another, and precious and beautiful stones, and all were precious, and their appearance glorious, and their form was beautiful. Three towards the east one fixed firmly on another and three towards the south one on another, and deep and rugged valleys, no one of which was near another.
24.3 And there was a seventh mountain, in the middle of these, and in their height they were all like the seat of a throne and fragrant trees surrounded it.
24.4 And there was among them a tree such as which I have never smelt, and none of them, or any others, were like it. It smells more fragrant than any fragrance, and its leaves, and its flowers, and its wood never wither. Its fruit is good, and its fruit is like bunches of dates on a palm.
24.5 And then I said: "Behold, this beautiful tree! Beautiful to look at, and pleasant are its leaves, and its fruit very delightful in appearance."
24.6 And then Michael, one of the Holy and Honoured Angels, who was with me, and was in charge of them,
25.1 answered me and said to me: "Enoch, why do you ask me about the fragrance of this tree, and why do you inquire to learn?"
25.2 Then I, Enoch, answered him saying: "I wish to learn about everything, but especially about this tree."
25.3 And he answered me, saying: "This high mountain, which you saw, whose summit is like the Throne of the Lord, is the throne where the Holy and Great One, the Lord of Glory, the Eternal King, will sit, when he comes down to visit the Earth for good.
25.4 And this beautiful and fragrant tree, and no creature of flesh has authority to touch it until the great judgment, when he will take vengeance on all and bring everything to a consummation forever, this will be given to the righteous and the humble.
25.5 From its fruit, life will be given to the chosen; towards the north it will be planted, in a Holy place, by the house of the Lord, the Eternal King.
25.6 Then they will rejoice with joy and be glad in the Holy place. They will each draw the fragrance of it into their bones, and they will live a long life on earth, as your fathers lived. And in their days sorrow and pain, and toil and punishment, will not touch them."
25.7 Then I blessed the Lord of Glory, the Eternal King, because he has prepared such things for righteous men, and has created such things, and said that they are to be given to them.
26.1 And from there, I went to the middle of the earth, and saw a blessed, well watered place, which had branches which remained alive, and sprouted from a tree which had been cut down.
26.2 And there I saw a holy mountain, and under the mountain, to the east of it, there was water, and it flowed towards the south.
26.3 And I saw towards the east, another mountain, which was of the same height, and between them, there was a deep and narrow valley; and in it, a stream ran by the mountain.
26.4 And to the west of this one, was another mountain, which was lower than it was and not high; and under it, there was a valley between them. And there were other deep and dry valleys at the end of the three mountains.
26.5 And all the valleys were deep and narrow, of hard rock, and trees were planted on them.
26.6 And I was amazed at the rock, and I was amazed at the valley; I was very much amazed.
27.1 Then I said: "What is the purpose of this blessed land, which is completely full of trees, and of this accursed valley in the middle of them?"
27.2 Then Raphael, one of the Holy Angels who was with me, answered me, and said to me: "This accursed valley, is for those who are cursed for ever. Here will be gathered together all who speak with their mouths against the Lord - words that are not fitting, and say hard things about His Glory. Here they will gather them together, and here will be their place of judgment.
27.3 And in the last days there will be the spectacle of the righteous judgment upon them, in front of the righteous, forever. For here, the merciful will bless the Lord of Glory the Eternal King.
27.4 And in the days of the judgment on them they will bless Him, on account of his mercy, according as He has assigned to them their lot."
27.5 Then I myself blessed the Lord of Glory, I addressed Him, and I remembered His majesty, as was fitting.
28.1 And from there, I went towards the east, to the middle of the mountain of the wilderness, and I saw only desert.
28.2 But it was full of trees from this seed and water gushed out over it from above.
28.3 The torrent, which flowed towards the northwest, seemed copious, and from all sides, there went up spray and mist.
29.1 And I went to another place, away from the wilderness; I came near to the east of this mountain.
29.2 And there I saw Trees of Judgment, especially vessels of the fragrance of incense and myrrh, and the trees were not alike.
30.1 And above it, above these, above the mountains of the east, and not far away, I saw another place, valleys of water, like that which does not fail.
30.2 And I saw a beautiful tree, and its fragrance was like that of the mastic.
30.3 And by the banks of these valleys I saw fragrant cinnamon. And beyond those valleys I came towards the east.
31.1 And I saw another mountain on which there were trees, and there flowed out water, and there flowed out from it, as it were, a nectar whose name is styrax and galbanum.
31.2 And beyond this mountain I saw another mountain, and on it there were aloe trees, and those trees were full of a fruit, which is like an almond, and is hard.
31.3 And when they take this fruit it is better than any fragrance.
32.1 And after these fragrances, to the north, as I looked over the mountains, I saw seven mountains full of fine nard, and fragrant trees of cinnamon and pepper.
32.2 And from there, I went over the summits of those mountains, far away to the east, and I went over the Red Sea, and I was far from it, and I went over the Angel Zotiel.
32.3 And I came to the Garden of Righteousness, and I saw beyond those trees many large trees growing there, sweet smelling, large, very beautiful and glorious, the Trees of Wisdom, from which they eat and know great wisdom.
32.4 And it is like the carob tree, and its fruit is like bunches of grapes on a vine, very beautiful, and the smell of this tree spreads and penetrates afar.
32.5 And I said: "This tree is beautiful! How beautiful and pleasing is its appearance!"
32.6 And the Holy Angel Raphael, who was with me, answered me and said to me: "This is the Tree of Wisdom, from which your ancient father and ancient mother, who were before you, ate and learnt wisdom; and their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they were driven from the garden."
33.1 And from there I went to the ends of the earth, and I saw there large animals, each different from the other, and also birds, which differed in form, beauty, and call - each different from the other.
33.2 And to the east of these animals, I saw the ends of the Earth, on which Heaven rests, and the open Gates of Heaven.
33.3 And I saw how the stars of Heaven come out, and counted the Gates out of which they come, and wrote down all their outlets, for each one, individually, according to their number. And their names, according to their constellations, their positions, their times, and their months, as the Angel Uriel, who was with me, showed me.
33.4 And he showed me everything, and wrote it down, and also their names he wrote down for me, and their laws and their functions.
34.1 And from there I went towards the north, to the ends of the Earth, and there I saw a great and glorious wonder at the ends of the whole Earth.
34.2 And there I saw three Gates of Heaven; through each of them north winds go out; when they blow there is cold, hail, hoarfrost, snow, fog, and rain.
34.3 And from one Gate, it blows for good; but when they blow through the other two Gates, it is with force, and it brings torment over the earth, and they blow with force.
35.1 And from there I went towards the west, to the ends of the Earth, and I saw there, as I saw in the east, three open Gates - as many Gates and as many outlets.
36.1 And from there I went towards the south, to the ends of the Earth, and there I saw three Gates of Heaven open; and the south wind, the mist, and the rain, and wind, come out from there.
36.2 And from there I went towards the east of the ends of Heaven, and there I saw the three eastern Gates of Heaven open, and above them, there were smaller Gates.
36.3 Through each of these smaller Gates, the stars of Heaven pass, and go towards the west, on the path that has been shown to them.
36.4 And when I saw, I blessed, and I will always bless the Lord of Glory, who has made Great and Glorious Wonders so that he might show the greatness of His Work, to His Angels, and to the souls of men, so that they might praise His Work. And so that all his creatures might see the work of His Power, and praise the great work of His Hands, and bless Him forever!

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