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Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 12/14/2007 9:53:42 PM

Are there any rituals for sanctifying that stone in the paganism epoch?

Definitely, as it was their worshiping place

In the Islamic encyclopedia, part 22, page 6960, it said: the black stone dated to very ancient epochs; it has very glorious stature in the religious rituals for the ancient Arabs

They were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah that contained the black stone, it was sanctified since very old time

Muhammad followed that old customs when he settled the rituals of his religion and he considered Al- Ka'bah as the center for those rituals

What about the circumambulation?

They were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah containing the black stone

We will focus the lights on some very exiting and strange rituals as a way of sanctifying that black stone,

In the book of (the methodological way for Arabs) by Mahmoud slim Al-Hoot, page 123
{One of the rituals of pagan pilgrimage was an exciting and amazing ritual, as they were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah men and women totally naked}

What was the reason for that nudeness?

In the book of "the legendary in quran" , page 16,17 it said:{ that nudeness was for a reason, as there were sexual worshiping rituals taking place inside that Makkahin godly house in the ancient epochs }

In the book of" the father of prophets Ibrahim", by Muhammad hosny abdul-hammid, published in Cairo, page 92, he said:{ there was a pagan ritual performed by women, as they were touching the black stone by their menstrual blood, as the menstrual blood for the ancient pagan was the secret of birth, as they believed that, woman gives the blood and man gives the semen and the spirit is given by god

They were assimilating the first act done by the moon god (Alh) when he slept with the sun god (Alat)

So they were celebrating that occasion as the gods (the moon and the sun) did before, they were doing the same thing again

(See also" the legendary and the heritage" by Sayed Al-Kemny, page 160,162

This was also mentioned in the book of Rites and denominations {Al-Melal Wal-Nahl) by Abe Al-Kasim Al-Shahrestany, page 247, he said :{ there was a ritual that was dominating that time which was the friction of the black stone , taking into consideration its shape

And the ward Hajj is derived from Hack (in Arabic language it means to do friction}

(That was also mentioned in the book the legendary in quran, page 17, 19)

As the Arabic peninsula was very wide, and there were little people for that vast land, so they were very concerned about breeding, so the infertile women were performing group marriage during that time, as they were going naked during the pilgrimage and were fractioning their private parts with the blood inside it by the black stone, to have its blessing to get pregnant ,as it represented god that gives the spirit

Did Muhammad sanctify the black stone?

Muhammad had preserved the rituals of circumambulation and turning around Al- Ka'bah exactly as in the paganism epoch

The Islamic encyclopedia is saying: we can conclude from what Muslims are performing now that ritual, how it was done before by the pagans

Muhammad was kissing the black stone as a sign of sanctifying it

In Sonan Al-Behiqy , the book of pilgrimage, converse number 9503 :{ narrated Ibn Abbas : the messenger of God when he was taking the black stone, he was kissing it , putting it on his right check ( wasn't he aware that they were putting it into their private parts touching it with their blood?)

He was circumambulating around the black stone seven turns, three turns jumbling like steenbok, and four turns walking as a respect for the stone

In Mosnad Ahmed, Mosnad Abdullah Ibn Al-Abbas, converse number 283: {the messenger of God came into the mosque and he took the stone, people of korish said they are not walking but jumping like steenbok so he did that three times}

Messenger: JudahC Sent: 12/23/2007 5:11:45 PM

i have been lookin on this website i all i have seen it you chanting down islam and tha aint right
cus thats not what rastafari is about the whole thing about chant is not you hate dem cus you see it is an old african folk law tha fire cleans the soul
halie selassie himself was from the same bloodline as mahammed
so cool
down and stop being fastie fastie see thing as a true peace love rasta
alright islam did some bad thingz to the africans in the past but thay we be guided to jah jah and not hurt maybe not in his life but defo in the after life jah jah will hold and love denm help and teach dem

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