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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 8/29/2019 10:54:15 AM
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What's the opinion on being 'God ordained' to prophesize future calamities and disasters such as chattel slavery but at the same time having no power to stop it


Messenger: Chalice Sent: 8/31/2019 3:51:59 AM
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Rastafari was prophesied in the bible.


Messenger: RasTafarIWork Sent: 8/31/2019 11:28:55 AM
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Geneva June 1936 Psalms 82 fulfilled.


Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 9/4/2019 5:18:12 PM
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Having just read it I now see why the OP was hidden... for foolishness.

Christianity itself is an interpretation of the bible. There were at least 7 different beliefs/interpretations about Jesus in the early Christian movement.

corrupt teachers use the notion of "private interpretation" and redefine it so that individuals wont believe anything that they don't approve of.

I find it slightly irritating when a person tries to teach the bible without understanding the most basic of basic realities about the bible. That being, it isn't 1 book. The "bible" is a library of books and letters put together by Christians. So the idea that each writer knew that their words were going to be included is silly. And the ones who read the scriptures never knew a letter they wrote was going to be thought of as scripture for some new religion that they weren't apart of and never signed up for.

You have to give up whatever arrogance you have when you study religion. Because Christians come at it like they know everything and that it has to be the way they read and interpret it. Guess what? It doesn't. 2nd Peter isn't talking about the bible because the bible did not exist at that time. So any reference to the "Scripture" is a reference to the TNK (Tanakh) that was read in the synagogues of Yisrael. It does not refer to the book of Revelation.

And NO, it's NOT clear that it is talking about a person at all. Visions use symbolism. When you read "lamb of God" do you think it's a literal lamb? No. It's just a symbol. You have to understand these things as metaphor, not take them for literal truth.

Since you relate this to Rev 1 did you not see the part where it introduces the word of God?

Rev 1:2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

"word of God" is logos deus, which can translated as the literal words spoken by God. This makes sense when you juxtapose this with the "testimony" of Jesus Christ. When Jesus is confronted in the wilderness and is tempted, does he not say that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God? That is logos deus. You have to understand the basics of Hebrew theology. Christians wanted Jesus to be God so when they saw "and the word was made flesh" they thought Jesus was the word because they thought he pre-existed. They missed the whole commandment about other gods as well as a bunch of statements by God (logos deus) about the fact that he is the only God and that there is no other god beside him. Only in a metaphoric sense did Jesus pre-exist, because he believed himself to be the fulfillment of a promise. That promise was spoken by God. That promise existed before he came to be and he was nothing, not the messiah, not anyone to be listened to or followed, if not for that promise foretelling the coming of a messiah.

Jesus is not the "word" but rather a PERSONIFICATION of the word... or what the bible calls the "living word".

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

Jesus didn't hurt a fly. So why is the word of God compared to a sword? Is it a literal sword? Of course not. Spiritual things must be understood spiritually.

Rev 19:15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.

What is it that strikes down the nations? Jesus? No. For the Hebrews it was the word of God; to be clear... the actual words of YHWH which existed in their literature long before anyone was talking about a messiah because while Christians think there was only one messiah and that he was prophesied before the creation of the world, Hebrew thought tells us that every king of Israel was anointed and therefore every king of Israel was a messiah.

Messiahs, plural, were anointed with oil which is where the term comes from. This is why Yeshua was crucified for sedition and crowned "king of the Jews"; mocking the title of messiah and what it was designed to be. So anyone, you should understand, can be a messiah. They simply need to be anointed which simply means chosen by God. The messiah's job is to be king and to represent the "word of God" (logos deus) on earth; NOT to be some kind of replacement for God.

Remember that Yisrael did not start off having a king. They only got one because they begged for one like the other nations had. And they were given one almost as a punishment and just like the other nations, their king was corrupt. Virtually every king was corrupted by that power. The only kind of king YHWH would ever really approve of was someone like Moses (who I hate btw) because *according to his story* he simply represented the "Word of God". Again... the word is not a person. However, just like the LAMB of God can symbolize a person who becomes God's sacrifice, the WORD of God can symbolize a person whose life is a perfect example of everything God has told humans to be and do. That was the significance of Yeshua, not to be an earthly king.

You quoted John 1:17 which should have been a clue.

The law was also the "Word of God". However it was judgement as opposed to a message of grace and mercy and forgiveness. So this other "truth" was ALSO the word of God and it came BY Yeshua.

Rev 19:15 is about the Word of God ruling the nations. In other words, its the same idea Muslim extremists have about everyone being converted (by force if necessary) to the Koran. In this case it is simply the TaNaKh. This is simply just an extension of the original prophecy which Yeshua did NOT fulfill. The reason why Jews do not accept Jesus as their messiah or savior is because not all of the prophecies were fulfilled; namely world peace. How did they believe world peace would be achieved? By all nations basically converting and following YHWH.

If you're waiting for Jesus to come in on a horse may I remind you that it is almost 2020 and we are way past horses. John the Revelator was expressing a dream. He wanted to see the "day of the Lord"... which is the apocalypse. The Israelites believed their God would, at some point, decide to end the whole sin experiment and rule over all the other nations with force the same way Israel was ruled without truly understanding that Israel was not a successful kingdom; that Mosaic law and forced observance and fear were not a successful form of government. It made people scared of God and cows to Jewish elite who ruled over them. And those elite didn't care that they were occupied by Rome because they still had power and authority. And they could keep pretending to be better than other people who were just trying to survive. At some point the people were even too scared to try to follow the religion because it (because of men) was too strict. That's why they followed Yeshua. So again... Yeshua represented a promise (the new covenant) but this all has to do with the "word of God". Stop trying to see a man. Because you're so in love with the man that you're not seeing what he was trying to represent was God. One God.

Does the bible refer to Selassie? Do I believe that? No. However, it's not impossible to come to that interpretation because if he was in the lineage of David he could be crowned king of Yisrael which would make him a potential messiah. And if he represented the word of God then you would have to compare his words and deeds with the fulfillment of the same prophecies. But again, Yeshua (Jesus) did NOT fulfill all the propehcies either. That's why the word of God doesn't need to be 1 man. It could be anyone and everyone that fulfills the will of God. I don't believe Jesus was "THE MESSIAH" but rather someone who believed that he could fulfill the will of God and he acted upon that belief. Selassie was not "THE MESSIAH" but rather a great man who believed he could fulfill the will of God that was given to him in his own life and for his people.

The biggest reason why Jesus is misunderstood is because John was misunderstood.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John the baptist was baptising MANY to become and be called "sons of God". This was never a unique title. David and Adam were also called sons of God. 1 John 3 tells you who can be called a son of God and what makes them so. It was never literal. It was always allegorical. Christian act like John the Baptist ran around all day teaching that Jesus would come and one day just said "Oh sh-t, look he here!" No John was a rabbi most likely from the Essene tradition and he was teaching people righteousness. And that is why he was assassinated. Think about it.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

"hence John the BAPTIST"

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

This right here is the epitome of John AND Yeshua's teaching.

23 And this is his [God's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his [God's] Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

For those that understood the Gospel, God (YHWH) who was previously thought of as a king who ruled with an iron fist was now thought of as a Father who loved his children. But not everyone was his child. The same way that the Gospels tell you that Jesus was born by the holy spirit... this is the same SPIRITUAL birth that applies to others as well. 1 John 3 basically just does a better job spelling it out. And because it's spiritual anyone can be used by God according to his will. That's what the bible is saying. It's not deifying a dude named Yeshua and saying he's "God the son". Those words do not appear in the bible. Jesus is just as god-like as Selassie. It's in the minds of the people that these men become more than just men.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 9/5/2019 4:44:47 AM
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When xp talks I listen
Keenly
Everytime


Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 9/6/2019 5:24:05 PM
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GA: What's the opinion on being 'God ordained' to prophesize future calamities and disasters such as chattel slavery but at the same time having no power to stop it

Most biblical prophecies are misunderstood. Virtually every one of them were predictable and could be prevented. It's like this...

You see a driver on the road going 120mph. You already know that driver is more likely to crash than you going 80mph. The same concept applies to nations. And the Hebrews believed that if the people weren't obeying Jah, he would turn his back on them. HOWEVER... if you were to take Jah out of the equation (sorry for those who think this is sacrilege) the Israelites were most certainly doing things that were making enemies. I was talking about Samson today. Samson was a train wreck. This dude straight murdered people just to jack their stuff so he could pay a bet. And as smart as he thought his riddle was he ignored the fact that if you murder people randomly there might be some consequences to that. Eventually the consequences of murdering people caught up to him, but if, instead of the name Samson and instead of super strength, if you replaced it with the name Tupac or Biggie and guns, wouldn't the same relative outcome happen? Live by the sword, die by the sword. Right?

Trump now infamously predicted Hurricane Dorian to hit Alabama. America is laughing. But why? Because the path of the Hurricane is something that meteorologists have down to a science. I didn't say an exact science. But the more they can observe it the more they can accurate predict its path; not just the hurricane but the temperatures and other factors that cause hurricanes to form in the first place.

When the bible made a prediction there is an assumption that it had to come true. No. Many prophecies were merely warnings that was meant to convince a leader to change so that the consequence of the prophecy never came to pass. If they changed then who could really say if the prophecy was real in the first place because it never came true but the prophet could simply claim credit for averting that disaster. But again... if you're going 120mph disaster is simply more likely. Predicting the weather would seem like a magic power to an ancient people, but it's not. It's science. 3 people in this forum could make a prediction about Trump.

person 1 says "trump will win again. GWB won twice and he was also dumb"

person 2 says "trump will lose. The American people aren't that dumb... or are they?"

person 3 says "trump will be impeached and resign before the election... or will congress even move fast enough for this to happen"

One of these 3 predictions will be correct. Does that make the winner a prophet? In every case it is based on an assumption that could be right or wrong. If person 3's assumption is wrong is it going to be recorded in a book designed to give credibility to person 2 who ended up being right? Doubtful.

Understanding that the bible was written in hindsight is important to understanding how things appear to be magical when in fact they are not.

A lot of things in this world happen in cycles; like the four seasons. Slavery has never once actually ended. We pay attention to the slavery that happens to us. But slavery happens to other people and still happens and often involves the same elements. So the stuff that happened in Deuteronomy 28 happened a long time ago but will bear a resemblance to things that happened again. It doesn't mean that prophecy was fulfilled again. It just means that prophecy was easily predicted. There are other curses in Deuteronomy that were predicted that did not happen to black slaves brought to America. But we focus on the parts that we see in history, not the parts we didn't. That's confirmation bias.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 9/7/2019 6:56:54 AM
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I enjoyed this response brother.
It's right that if you write 1000 books prophesizing A B or C as a final outcome out of a 3 way option... Let's say the final outcome turned out to be option B. Then it would be easy to put a collection of books together years later after option B had already passed, stregically selecting only the books which 'prophesized' about the final outcome being option B.... It would be easy to then name this retrospectively and strategically selected book collection, the Bible.


Yes iah


I only asked my original question as to meet the believers on their frequency... As to say If we are to believe the Bible of prophets and prophesies.... What would be the point of these things being predicted yet no character in the bible god included, being righteous or powerful enough to stop them?

Any story suggesting there was a God and 'his' prophets who predict InI enslavement and displacement..... While doing nothing to stop it.. Would mean I would have to stand directly against the prophets and the God of DEM deh story deh. I don't care if the rest of the book is pure spiritual gold. Maybe it's just an esoteric view these days... But to me, to champion such a story of people prophesizing calamities and celebrating that the calamaties have come true... Seems like the mental behaviour of a slave.

This aside

My own studies have actually always lead me to the conclusion that the books in the bible were created significantly later than the current dates suggest... Moses didn't write a damn thing much less Luke and John....




Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 9/7/2019 9:50:16 PM
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Most prophecies, I believe, were issued as warnings. So indeed, some were avoided simply because the person heeded the warning. But in this case, how could you prove that the prophecy was going to come true if it... didn't?

It would seem likely, fairly logical, to me that if prophecies were then treated with the same reverence given to them now, ie that of miraculous claims that couldn't possibly be false, then one could assume that everyone during those times were believers simply based on the existence of prophets. How could you live during the time of the prophets and doubt this entire religion if their word was 100% proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? For what reason were the Israelites swayed after so many other gods so often?

I believe the fact that so many of our people have this assumption that the bible cannot be wrong vs the very real Israelites who lived contemporary to biblical events... I think adds serious support to your belief that the bible was written later; perhaps much later.

Of course we do have to be fair. Part of the problem can be explained by the prevalence of oral history. So basically, the story was passed from generation to generation, which also allowed it to evolve between ear and mouth. Written language, historically, is problematic. First you have the age at which humans wrote at all. Then you have the age at which languages had an actual written form. Then you have the survivability of the medium. Then you have the literacy factor of the people. Then you have the "lying pen of the scribes". One would think that God would have given them at least this much "technology" since it was the only way they could preserve the something as important as the so-called word of God. But all these factors can be used to explain why it was actually written much later. And if your history is dependent on a retelling, why retell failures? Why tell the stories of false prophets and prophecies that didn't come true?

But if you want to provoke critical thinking as to the question of why couldn't God stop these calamities well that's not going to work because most of our people will blame that on Israel. One of the key tricks of biblical theology is the notion that God can never do wrong. If you pray for something and it happens then God did it and you were blessed. If it doesn't happen then it was God's will and probably wasn't the best thing for you. Same if someone dies or even dies at a young age. "God took them". No one can just die. Things cannot just happen by coincidence. It's always God (superstition) and God is always good. Even though in Exodus God considered destroying all the Israelites and starting over (including children) with Moses and Joshua... It's like we hate ourselves to where we think we deserve any and every kind of punishment.

There is a law about punishing children for the sins of their fathers. And yet, many of us believe that our children's children's children's children's children (not sure how many generations later) were punished for the lack of belief or whatever. And yet many people will also say that God gives us a choice; whether to believe in him or not. We can't seem to make up our minds. Either God is a tyrant who is so insecure and jealous that he has to murder or torture "children" (because we are but infants relative to any being who is eternal) and watch them be raped and murdered at the hands of another people who don't believe in him either and are just as if not more sinful. But they're allowed to believe in other gods. But we're saying that its different for Israelites; that God doesn't care what the rest of the world does and will use them to punish his children. But if you ask me these other nations have a much better deal. Why are we getting cursed and not them?

Of course the reality is that we were never cursed. Blessings and curses are both superstition that require the existence of magic to be real. And the one thing the bible never even attempts to explain is the existence of magic. People just assumed it existed because they were superstitious. And everyone who reads the bible and believes has to also believe in magic without any explanation for how it is able to defy the laws of physics... and nature itself. This is the same reason people believe in prophecies without critical thinking about the logic of such a thing existing.

It's the reason I tend to hate movies that involve time travel. It creates a logical paradox. In this case, if you see something happening in the future, and it is by God's magical powers that you see this, can we not assume you're given this sight for the purpose of changing the future? The fact that you see it already is an attempt to change it. But if you're causing the thing to happen that the person sees... why not just not make that thing happen in the first place? Didn't the same God who saw the famine in Kemet (Egypt) not also see the so-called slavery that would follow? So why not simply not do the famine? Wasn't he in control of that? Why is it that his people had to go through any of that? If you know the future you can prevent any bad outcome. I don't tell people to how to avoid me stepping on their shoe. I simply don't step on their shoe because I'm in control of my own foot. If I have to tell them about me stepping on their shoe that means I see myself doing this thing that I couldn't control. So how is it that God can't control the famine but can control the 10 plagues? Moses can split a body of water with a staff but can't call down rain every so often so that the people could drink? And all their wandering in the desert, and even their worship of Egyptian gods... they wouldn't have been there in the first place if it wasn't for the famine that brought Israel's sons there. But nothing is ever God's fault. Everything is always our fault. I don't remember asking for the plagues just like I'm sure many Egyptians didn't feel like they deserved to suffer the 10 plagues just so YHWH could show off.

And then of course, when they went into Canaan they had to send spies into the land. Why couldn't God just show them in a vision or better yet, why couldn't God simply make them an oasis in the desert? Why did they have to fight giants for land that didn't belong to them, land that they would have to take from people and their children? And its this very same behavior that got many Israelites killed and arguably led to the capture and occupation and eventual destruction of Israel as a nation. But no one seems brave enough to say that maybe it was bad leadership. If children don't know how to act in public do we not ask what's up with their parents? Is not God our father? And if all this punishment stuff was supposed to work then why didn't it? And if it didn't work, then why punish us in the first place? Why stand by and watch us be enslaved for 400 years and then for 400 years AGAIN?! Why stand by and do nothing while our families were separated, women and children beaten, women raped, etc. Are these crimes equal to what we did? Or were the curses of Deuteronomy ALWAYS a LIE from a bully designed to scare children into avoiding them? "Give me your lunch money or I'm going to beat you up", says the school bully. "Love me and worship me or I'll let foreigners rape and enslave you teach you to worship a white version of me and force you to work on my holy day which is also a sin", says the bully with omnipotence and omniscience.

Yeah, I think not.


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