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Israeli ship attack

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Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/2/2010 4:26:40 PM
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I have been watching the news and videos about the Israeli attack on the humanitarian ship. I didn't automatically assume the Israeli's were at fault because I really can't blame them from wanting to check the ship for arms. It is not a new thing for people to use "humanitarian" ships to bring arms into a country.

But the more I am reading about what happened, the more I am convinced of the Israeli's fault in this incident.

The ship was in international waters 80-90 miles (130-145 km) from land, and the Israelis didn't just come down on the boat and were suddenly attacked. Shots were fired on the boat before they went down from either their ships or helicopter. It is not known what exactly was shot, whether bullets, pellets or tear gas, but none the less, shots were fired, and most likely, people will assume it is bullets. What did the Israeli's military expect to happen in this situation? Probably exactly what did happen. They repelled down onto a boat full of many protesters that are against Israeli's actions against Palistine, and on top of that fired shots onto the boat before descending onto it. What other response would they have expected then what happened? I wonder if they thought the whole story could be easily spun in their favour? They are trying to spin it that way, and the spin is working in some cases.

In addition to this ship, they attacked other ships in the convoy, but only recieved passive resistance (ie. standing in the soldiers way, or holding them back by pushing out with their hands) and in some cases no resistance. But they still beat and abused many people in those ships.

I have seen some Israeli journalists (whether in Israel or those working in news establishments in other countries) calling the critism against the raid anti-semetism. That is such a ridiculous thing, so often in the past, criticism of Israeli's actions are labelled anti-semitism by some. It is like some people think that people should just ignore their atrocities, or just assume that they did it for the "right reason".



Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/3/2010 8:44:57 AM
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Here is an article I found today about Israel rejecting international investigation of raid

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Officials have insisted Israel's military already is investigating the raid and the country is capable of conducting a credible review.

"It is our standard practice after military operations, especially operations in which there have been fatalities, to conduct a prompt, professional, transparent and objective investigation in accordance with the highest international standards," government spokesman Mark Regev said.

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What people in their right mind can expect that they themselves can be trusted to conduct an investigation over crimes they themselves may or may not have committed?



Messenger: Fikre Jahnhoi Sent: 6/3/2010 12:18:35 PM
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Imagine, someone on trial investigating demself HA

Last time mi a watch Aljazeera, and they were chatting to one man, a Jew, a profesor of some sort mi think, if i remember the name, think it was Thomas Weiss....mi a go try to find something on the internet becah the man was talking more sense than i think i eva heard on the subject of Israel, matteroffact, while watchin the interview i was thinkin, you better careful they dont kill you too man
but ye, it did mi heart good fe see there are still people who think fe demself inspite of what they have been programmed to think


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 6/3/2010 2:16:07 PM
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Noam Chomsky was reasoning that Israel gets away with its actions only because they have the tacit approval of the US.




Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/3/2010 2:34:42 PM
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Noam Chomsky was recently denied entry into Israel. They have a hard time with him, since he is a Jew, they have a hard time labelling him an anti-semite, although some have tried.

He has revealed so much wickedness from the US, Israel and others.

Here a couple of comments he has made

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Of course [suicide bombers are] terrorists and there's been Palestinian terrorism all the way through. I have always opposed it….But it's very small as compared with the U.S.-backed Israeli terrorism.
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It is a shame that critics of Israeli policies are seen as either anti-Semites or self-hating Jews. It's grotesque.
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Those are just two minor quotes compared to the vast amount of things he has said about so many world issues. I would recommend anybody to read some of the things he has said about world issues. He doesn't just speak anything, he can back the things he says with facts.




Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/3/2010 3:01:42 PM
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Here is an account of the event I saw today from a British woman on board.

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She said she was woken early in the morning by the sound of the Israeli military speeding towards the ship, followed by gunfire.

"It felt surreal, I couldn't quite believe they were doing what they were doing - none of us anticipated it," she told a room of about 50 journalists in London.

"I could hear the sounds of bullets flying, that's the thing I remember, and the whirr of helicopter blades as people dropped down on to the roof."

Speaking to the BBC, she said: "I couldn't even count the amount of ships that were in the water. It was literally bristling with ships, helicopters and gunfire. It was horrific, absolutely horrific."

She told the press conference: "The first passenger to be fatally injured was brought to the back of the deck, he had been shot in the head. I saw him, he was in a bad way and subsequently died."

She said her fellow activists broadcast a plea to the Israeli soldiers to stop the attack and help the injured, but instead they targeted individuals by pointing red lasers from their guns over their heads.

Two hours passed before the first critically injured passengers were allowed off the boat, she said.

And she claimed pleas to allow medics to go with them to hospital were denied. She said she saw a total of four dead bodies.

Passengers, who ranged in age from one to 89, were cuffed with cable ties and made to sit or kneel on the ship's deck in the blazing sun, she added.


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Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/3/2010 4:16:05 PM
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Look at this statement from Avigdor Lieberman, Israel foreign minister
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"We didn't start this provocation, we did not send bullies with knives and metal rods to Turkey," he said. "The entire blame, all of it, from beginning to end, is that of Turkey. We have nothing to apologize for. On the contrary."

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So they have nothing to apologize for.

Amazing that out of all the words he could choose to call the people on that ship, he called them bullies. What hypocrisy, that statement doesn't even make any sense.




Messenger: Ark I Sent: 6/3/2010 4:28:39 PM
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Here is a comment made by Noam Chomsky regarding Israeli's attack on the ship

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Hijacking boats in international waters and killing passengers is, of course, a serious crime. The editors of the London Guardian are quite right to say that "If an armed group of Somali pirates had yesterday boarded six vessels on the high seas, killing at least 10 passengers and injuring many more, a Nato taskforce would today be heading for the Somali coast." It is worth bearing in mind that the crime is nothing new.
For decades, Israel has been hijacking boats in international waters between Cyprus and Lebanon, killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes bringing them to prisons in Israel including secret prison/torture chambers, sometimes holding them as hostages for many years.

Israel assumes that it can carry out such crimes with impunity because the US tolerates them and Europe generally follows the US lead.
Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets. Putting aside the absurdity, if Israel were interested in stopping Hamas rockets it knows exactly how to proceed: accept Hamas offers for a cease-fire. In June 2008, Israel and Hamas reached a cease-fire agreement. The Israeli government formally acknowledges that until Israel broke the agreeement on November 4, invading Gaza and killing half a dozen Hamas activists, Hamas did not fire a single rocket. Hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. The Israeli cabinet considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to launch its murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead on December 27. Evidently, there is no justification for the use of force "in self-defense" unless peaceful means have been exhausted. In this case they were not even tried, although—or perhaps because—there was every reason to suppose that they would succeed. Operation Cast Lead is therefore sheer criminal aggression, with no credible pretext, and the same is true of Israel's current resort to force.

The siege of Gaza itself does not have the slightest credible pretext. It was imposed by the US and Israel in January 2006 to punish Palestinians because they voted "the wrong way" in a free election, and it was sharply intensified in July 2007 when Hamas blocked a US-Israeli attempt to overthrow the elected government in a military coup, installing Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan. The siege is savage and cruel, designed to keep the caged animals barely alive so as to fend off international protest, but hardly more than that. It is the latest stage of long-standing Israeli plans, backed by the US, to separate Gaza from the West Bank.

These are only the bare outlines of very ugly policies, in which Egypt is complicit as well.

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Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 6/3/2010 6:05:30 PM
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So Israel calls the people it shoots at bullies


Messenger: bredren aaron Sent: 6/5/2010 2:46:24 AM
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InI read in the paper where a woman on board was interviewed saying Israel were using laser pointers from helicopters and shooting at the people.Then she said they were handcuffing everyone even children as young as one and making them stay out in the heat.Sounds like Israel's the bullies.


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